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it is on very rare occasions that I disagree with the Doctor... To "Some" extent, but I can actually see where he is coming from.
You get involved with the wrong kind of family, of which there are many in Luxor, then he is absolutely right, and it is really a case of who is patronising who ?

Like these damn celebrities that get involved in charities to make themselves feel better.
Bono and Bob Geldorf, et all could have given all their wealth to Live Aid, but chose not to, so how much does the starving kids in Africa mean to them :tk


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I think Mad Dilys explains it perfectly. It starts by being asked round for a tea, and at first conversation is limited, depending on which of the family members is there at the time. One of the married sisters has excellent english, so a conversation with her is very easy, and of course she translates for her mum and younger sister and vice versa.

On one occasion mum and daughter were on the roof making dough and making bread - sun bread? It was lovely to see, and mum explained she was showing her daughter all the skills she needed for when she was married. I must admit the youngest daughter, now 17 throws her arms around me and her beaming smile says it all when we visit. Apparently she will be married soon and will move away. I will miss seeing her in the future, unless of course she is visiting her parents when I visit.

They are always excited to see us and show off their children, and recent additions. We have been invited for a meal before, and that has been a privilege to share food with them, and of course it has always been very good.

There have been times when both of us have made mistakes in our pigeon english/arabic, and it has caused some confusion and laughter. Some tourists only see the corniche, I count ourselves lucky we see more than that.

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Did you eat out at all ST, and if so where did you go? Tried Aisha restaurant for the first time, and this was very good when we went in April. As we arrived 8 men turned up, all knowing exactly what they wanted, and making sure the owner had enough steaks available for all of them. They were all very precise with how they wanted their steaks cooked, and with what sauce.

At the end of the meal we had a few words with them, turned out they were from Turkey, and were visiting for the snooker/pool competition taking place at the Nile Palace. They had all eaten at Aisha before, so we're keeping the staff very busy.

I do enjoy the koshary in Luxor, my favourite meal.........

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Scottishtourist wrote:To be honest Robbo,I'm not entirely comfortable around horses!
I like to look at them but am slightly nervous of clapping them,etc.They're just too big!

The one thing I'll say about Ahmed though (from what I see)is that he seems genuinely fond of his animals and treats them well.He encouraged me to pat the little foal.I was rather hesitant and think the wee animal sensed my nerves.

However,I found it quite endearing the way it nuzzled up to HIM and seemed to have complete faith and trust in him.

Daresay that if he treats his animals with care and respect,then he probably can't be that bad.
That was main reason I didn't mind helping him out..and would probably do so again.
I have to confess Suzie is a bad tempered old nag and is forever flashing her teeth to strangers, but to Ahmed she is a gentle and loving beastie. I judge most people on how they treat their animals and importantly how their animals respond to them. ( Always worked on the basis that if my dogs don't like you, there is probably a good reason). She used to bite chunks out of me, but over the years we made friends. She now enjoys a good head scratch.

Suzie actually lives in the house with him. She has the back room. Its so comical to see her pop up the steps, through the front door and into her stable. She has a fan, a raised feed bowl and a barrel of water. She has a fixed tap outside so that when she comes home, he can let her cool off, shower her down and then put her in. She lives better than his wife and kids by the looks of it, but she is the main breadwinner so he maintains her life must be as good as he can make it. He may be a bit of a rogue, but he loves his animals.

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As I have found out, you just have to get to know any of them, especially in a whole family unit to soon discover that you have loads in common. They worry about the same things as we 'Europeans' do, problems within their respective country's, rising costs, education and future prospects of their kids, behavior of the same. They talk about work, wanting just the same as everyone else, a decent living wage. Forthcoming weddings, births and losses. They know humor, can laugh at the silliest things especially about comical happenings to family and friends. Most know right from wrong and worry about the rising levels of crime. They can talk all day about football [unfortunately] cars, TV and films, even gardening. Water cuts and power outages are part and parcel of their lives as well. They are not that interested in getting bladdered, smoking dope, past criminal activities or attempting to discover a new source of energy so basically you Who2 would be well and truly f***** :lol:
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Who2 wrote:It never ceases to amaze me this 'I went to visit the family' statements.
Why ? what an earth does any tourist or ex-pat have in common with an Egyptian family ?
Is it 'it makes me feel good, bit like Father Xmas, what do people talk about ? oogling at another new family member ? talking about the weather, politics, state of the World ? Spare me… :cool:
Why would any tourist/ex-pat NOT have anything in common with an Egyptian family Who2?
Families,children,work,home,health issues,etc are common denominators for people all over the world.

I personally do not "have"an Egyptian family.Nor do I support any financially or otherwise.
But I've known our married friends long enough to be able to talk about all the above with them..so think that we do have something in common.

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I think we women have a lot more in common than people think, I remember visiting a family home once me and mum and daughters were all talking when the son of the house interrupted and asked his sister to bring water, she was about to do so when I asked him what that thing was that his foot was attatched to, my leg he replied, well I told him you have two of them get up and fetch the water yourself we are talking. He did so and the looks of surprise on the womens faces but ones of approval too didn't need any language. Later he and I were talking and the water issue came up, it was patiently explained to me the "our women don't mind waiting on us hand and foot, they are brought up to it" no I told him they do mind but you are too thick to realise it.
Another friend invited me to her henna party, all the women there and we had a good old gossip about their husbands and their short comings, you don't get things like that unless you visit family homes, women rarely go out alone here the only way to make friends with them is to be invited to their home. Different for you Who your a man and would most probably not be allowed to stay alone with a group of women and chat.

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Miss scarlett wrote:Did you eat out at all ST, and if so where did you go? Tried Aisha restaurant for the first time, and this was very good when we went in April. As we arrived 8 men turned up, all knowing exactly what they wanted, and making sure the owner had enough steaks available for all of them. They were all very precise with how they wanted their steaks cooked, and with what sauce.
We went most nights to the Agricultural Club/Gardens Miss Scarlett.
I enjoy it there.The food is good..and very inexpensive.
There's also a very nice "ambiance"about the place.No hassle whatsoever,but busy enough with Egyptian families,etc..that it lends itself to a pleasant evening just watching the world go by.

Did the usual trip to MacDonalds with our friends and their three kids.God,how I hate it!But,it's evolved into a kinda ritual now and it's our treat for them.It's their favourite place.

Also went back to "Snacktime."I enjoy the food there and the views..also the fact that I can have a cigarette!

Went back to "Aisha"once.Was a bit disappointed to be honest.Think I chose the wrong dish.My big sis had a steak and it looked lovely.I opted for chicken curry...it was horrible!Chunks of boiled chicken swimming in a watery stock with some spices chucked in.I'm by no manner of means a "foodie"but I can make better myself with a jar of cook-in sauce.The advertised chutney accompaniment also failed to materialise.It really wasn't worth the money!
But..I'll just put it down to a "blip"with the chef..and will try again next time I return.

Ate in Italian restaurant at Sheraton a couple of nights and also their Karnak restaurant.Food was ok,but rather pricey!!
It was acceptable because we were feeling somewhat tired..but would put a serious dent in spending money if we did it every night.

Only other place we went was Pizza Home in Television Street.It's fast-food outlet but their food is reasonably priced and very tasty. I also enjoy watching the "biz" on the street.

Popped into "Tutti Frutti"one afternoon for a coffee.Always find the Geordie lady there very chatty and pleasant.But was told she's back in UK at the moment.Nevertheless,enjoyed the coffee and happy to read a magazine.

I'm really not too difficult to please with regards to food,lol!!

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Very enlightening ST. Sugar and spice and all things vice. Girls going around slapping tourists are an exception to the rule. It was once suggested on another post relating to bag snatchers that it would be optional to carry a walking cane. It may also aid in warding off children if they get too close for comfort. Rather than raise your voice and show they are pushing your buttons wave a stick at them and see them run. As for randy men with bandy arms, just develop your own infliction. Develop a twitch where your fist unfortunately lands in his crotch. "Oops sorry, its an uncontrollable twitch." This post is one of the best I have read recently as it puts across a vivid update of Luxor. It is sad to think it so deserted, however unlike some posts I have read throughout the net this one does not put a downer on Luxor as you clearly enjoyed your time there. Spending time in the hotel is by choice. My time in Luxor is always an adventure and so my adventurous nature would need to be fed. Clearly you had a variety of experiences good and not so good but enough to share in detail. But most importantly they were not severe and off putting. In fact I found it inspiring me to plan my return visit and experience a new adventure.

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Being honest Adamantium,my activities are somewhat restricted now!
My big sis has various health problems,joint problems,etc.

I would seriously LOVE to go for a sail down the Nile on a felucca again,climb onto a caleche,or catch a microbus downtown.
But..I won't do it alone...and (boo hoo!)I have no escort!!

However,I do like to walk..and even though I don't venture too far alone,I still enjoy the experience.
I like the way people remember me,even the bank clerk in Sonesta recognised me again.

Really think though that Luxor is turning into 2day event,as A-Four says.

The hotel wasn't busy,nothing like I assume it was years ago.But everyone had an opinion of Luxor!
One young couple loved it.The other hated it.
They had done one week on a Nile cruise and had chosen Luxor over Hurghada for their second week.The girl was very pretty,fair skinned,etc..so she was subjected to a lot of unwanted attention.Her fiance was none too pleased..and christened Luxor "the armpit of the world."
To top it all,they had hellish experience on visit to Cairo when her fone was stolen from her bag on tour bus.Their last day was spent on the internet cancelling passwords,etc.

Another couple was there with their young daughter.They were lovely people and had back-packed in their younger days.However,the hotel had no facilities for children except a swimming pool.It was also very hot..and think the wee girl was exhausted.Her dad was still enthusiastic and insisted on arranging trips to VOK,etc.The mum would've been more than happy just to spend time by the pool.

Also met an older couple.They go at least twice a year.My God..the man "bummed"constantly about how safe Luxor is and how it must be terrible to live in Scotland!Cold weather,inner city deprivation,violence,etc.
Must admit I was helluva surprised when he told me that he didn't allow his wife to go anywhere in Luxor alone!
All journeys are made together..and by taxi!

Why can't he just admit that he maybe has reservations and doubts about the place?

They use same driver,eat in same restaurant every nite.

I much prefer to "share out"my limited finances.

The one thing I'll say though is that I had a far more pleasant holiday this time than I did six months ago.
I saw the good,experienced the not so good..and have been honest with my opinion.

Luxor ain't paradise,nor is it to everyone's taste.But this time I've come home with better memories and can honestly say..I'll be back!

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