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Re: Plane full

Post by A-Four » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:26 pm

I note Bombay's link to a financial statement issued by El Ahram, that really is quite crazy, something you would read in the tabloid papers in the U.K., there is quite a lot more to the situation in Egypt, than that as written above.

Over the week-end I'll write up a more accurate and independent view of the wows are otherwise that face Egypt today, in a separate subject post, that should be easier to understand.



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Re: Plane full

Post by newcastle » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:42 pm

I probably do lead a sheltered life A- Four!

I rarely go out of an evening, being quite happy with my own company.

I used to live in Ibiza so you can imagine the nightlife here is a poor shadow of what I was used to.

I'll have to take your word that there's a raging sex scene although it puzzles me who frequents it and how it makes money. Hurghada isn't the obvious destination for a young guy wanting to get sloshed and laid!

And surely the local lads can get it for free from gullible tourists....with money and drinks thrown in :lol:

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Re: Plane full

Post by Bombay » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:24 pm

Egypt raises taxes on airplane tickets

Egypt has raised taxes on airplane tickets to LE150 from LE100 for commercial tickets and to LE400 from LE300 on first class tickets, representing around a 1 percent increase on the average ticket price, said minister of aviation Hossam Kamal.

The minister asserted that tax is imposed on all airline companies to protect competition.

The tax is imposed on international flights leaving from Egypt only. This excludes flights coming to Egypt and internal flights, he added.

The fixed sum tax on plane tickets was first imposed in 1978 under law 46.

The government has cut subsidies and introduced new taxes, including the property tax, as part of a fiscal reform plan that Egypt embarked on last year to stem a growing budget deficit. A value-added tax is also anticipated before the end of this year.


http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/152516.

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Re: Plane full

Post by Dusak » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:55 am

Bombay wrote:Egypt raises taxes on airplane tickets

Egypt has raised taxes on airplane tickets to LE150 from LE100 for commercial tickets and to LE400 from LE300 on first class tickets, representing around a 1 percent increase on the average ticket price, said minister of aviation Hossam Kamal.

The minister asserted that tax is imposed on all airline companies to protect competition.

[The tax is imposed on international flights leaving from Egypt only. This excludes flights coming to Egypt and internal flights, he added.]

The fixed sum tax on plane tickets was first imposed in 1978 under law 46.

The government has cut subsidies and introduced new taxes, including the property tax, as part of a fiscal reform plan that Egypt embarked on last year to stem a growing budget deficit. A value-added tax is also anticipated before the end of this year.


http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/152516.
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Re: Plane full

Post by Glyphdoctor » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:19 am

Pyramisa closed its hotels in Luxor and Aswan. Now Misr Travel is looking to dump the Etap and its cruise ships. The Egyptian companies are pulling out first because they can. The international ones probably are stuck with rental contracts on their hotels that mean they are stuck for a while or will have to take an even heavier loss than they are incurring now.

Every day in the last few weeks the Ministry of Antiquities puts out numbers in the press about "how many" tourists visited the sites in Luxor each day, but I think these are a bit misleading. There is no way they can know the exact number because they don't take names, just sell tickets, so it is almost certain they are just giving their ticket sales. Assuming a minimum of 3-4 tickets per tourist (KV, Hatshepsut and Karnak for the overdays at the very least), the numbers they are putting out are misleading by a factor of 3-4 at least. Which means that about 300-400 visitors a day. Since the majority are overdays, then really recovery is a long way off.

Maybe a new find in Tut's tomb will help things, but at this point, that is the ONLY thing that has potential to turn things around in the near future. Too much about WWIII starting to get mentioned in the media, and that won't help Egypt even if the main battlefield is some distance away.

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Re: Plane full

Post by A-Four » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:00 am

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Maybe a new find in Tut's tomb will help things, but at this point, that is the ONLY thing that has potential to turn things around in the near future.
I am not too sure about this point. After the discovery of this tomb, it took ten years for all these treasure to be brought together, and Luxor certainly went through a dark age for almost fifty years after this even with regards archeology, let alone tourism.

The major thing that brought tourism to Luxor, was a simple discovery called Kodak colour film. In the late 60's and 70's such books from the likes of Time-Life certainly wet our appetites to the dream of visiting that wonderful land, this was then followed by really sensational T.V. programs, then backed up with a series of T.V. adverts to promote Egypt.

Today the B.B.C. Are very busy making making T.V. programs for the international market about the United Kingdoms own remarkable history, even China are showing these programs, followed by such programs as Downton Abbey. Although figures are some way off yet, this is certainly a record year for tourism in London.

The last time I came across a B.B.C. official after a certain set of programs were made there, I was told it would be a long time before they would return to Egypt, if anything matters have got worse for making such programs, even though such permission no longer goes into the pocket of just one person.

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Re: Plane full

Post by Dusak » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:21 am

I think that there is very little or nothing that would now bring the tourists back, there is nothing in existence to encourage them to come here. Not even, I suspect, a new discovery, apart from those that are really interested in history and old bones which I guess is only a small percentage of past number visitors.

More and more tourist related shops are closing or changing what they used to sell to what they can sell, goods for the local markets. In Karnak we still get the odd tourist coach turning up to visit the what I call the tacky papyrus and perfume places, ushered in, then ushered out. Again we see many daily visits to the temple via visiting coaches, again ushered off, ushered back on. Now, all except two tourist related business in Karnak, have gone over to selling local needs. The shops that openly state ''no hassle'' do just the opposite to that, mainly the jewelry shops, as you stroll past. But at least they still have the wedding business, a customer base that never seems to end and probably never will.

From what I have seen there is now even a worse situation for the European restaurants, virtually empty seven days a week. The cost of eating out is still steadily rising, far outstripping the worth of what you receive in front of you. They attempt to stay afloat by offering this, that or the other 'special' none of which will pay the running costs of the business or staff, what few they retain in their hopes of business returning. If I go out for a meal, which is very infrequent now, I start the night off by paying 50Le for a taxi, then, at the end of the night, even for a middle of the road priced meal with a coffee, go home less 150Le in my pocket. Just not, in my estimation, worth the effort. Especially when you have to sweat your guts out because the AC's still not working as they are unable to afford the replacement or repairs. The customer has now taken second place in the fight for that elusive Le.

Having used a taxi for nearly six moths at 5.30am I quite often saw the odd couple of tourists having a gentle stroll enjoying the cooler air of the morning, but surrounded by folk badgering them for business. Usually you see the reason for tourists continually waving their arms about in an attempt to waft off the flies, but in these cases it was an attempt to persuade nuisance boys to go away and leave them in peace, a lost battle from what I observed.

Would you spend X number of pounds for crap service for a foreign holiday in Egypt, war or no war? Even with multi million £ advertising campaigns, people are not stupid, they see right through them for what they really are, over hyped and exaggerated adverts to buy something way past its sell by date.
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Re: Plane full

Post by A-Four » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:12 pm

It's almost five years now that I first wrote on the beginnings of greed and corruption that I was witnessing, during the final months of the Mubarak era. I packed my home away in Luxor and left that dear old country. I had seen bread riots in Cairo, where it was reported a couple of hundred demonstrated, the truth is there were literally thousands.

When Tentawi and then Mousi came to the helm, well, a blind man would see that disaster was about to unfold. On here after each visit I wrote about how life would become. I remember writing 'As I See It' on this site. Many commented as to why I was wrong, even Stan could not believe that Luxor's future hotels would be those that float along the Nile, and that Luxor would become a two or three day event at most, but most importantly in the future, few people who live in Luxor would even notice that any tourist or future tourists would be in that town. All tourists would be FULLY escorted, and accommodation would be FULLY inclusive.

Today we can not blame the present troubles in the Middle East, it was the same in in the very bloody Iran - Iraq war, then came the fall Saddam Hussain, plus the ever present Israeli - Palestinian conflict. There is a big future for tourism in Egypt, as soon as the government gets its act together, I shall write more on this subject in 'Know Egypt', though I fear there will be no comments, perhaps there are few people who live in Luxor now, let alone those who even care.


P.S.- 50LE for a taxi from one end of town to the other, l went from Mile End to The Tower of London at 2 A.M. this morning and that only cost double that price, petrol here is £1-25 a litre, it must have gone through the roof there in Luxor.

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Re: Plane full

Post by carrie » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:50 pm

Been out for lunch had cheeseburgers, chips coleslaw and cappuccino much less than 20le for it all. Caught the bus back to the ferry 75 piasters, might not be a lot to spend but it all goes to Egyptians. I'm really sorry all you European restaurant owners but you chose to live here the Egyptians have no choice and they often have families to support too.

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Re: Plane full

Post by BENNU » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:31 pm

Dusak wrote:If I go out for a meal, which is very infrequent now, I start the night off by paying 50Le for a taxi, then, at the end of the night, even for a middle of the road priced meal with a coffee, go home less 150Le in my pocket. Just not, in my estimation, worth the effort.
:o I hope that taxi bill is for a two way trip, though that is less than it would cost me to enter a taxi in Copenhagen.

150 gineh is not much for a night out, I think, and if occasionally I pay that much, it is usually worth it.

For a delicious meal that I cannot finish with fresh juice, a large bottle of water, tea and basboussa, I pay 40 plus tip and a taxi home is ten now, but not that far. If I were a holiday maker, that is the kind of place I would go and dine under the stars, so that would not put me off from visiting Luxor and seeing the monuments.

Times are very hard for most people, but I do not believe that it is the prices or standard of European restaurants that scare the tourists.

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Re: Plane full

Post by Bombay » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:15 pm

carrie wrote:Been out for lunch had cheeseburgers, chips coleslaw and cappuccino much less than 20le for it all. Caught the bus back to the ferry 75 piasters, might not be a lot to spend but it all goes to Egyptians. I'm really sorry all you European restaurant owners but you chose to live here the Egyptians have no choice and they often have families to support too.
I thought my staff of many years were Egyptians along with the tax office and other agencies I pay each month and the electric company that keep presenting ever increasing bills whilst supplying electricity at a level that won't power my regularly serviced A/C units half the time.

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Re: Plane full

Post by LovelyLadyLux » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:13 am

In my corner of the world prices on all fronts have steadily risen seemingly on a daily basis since about 2008. Salaries for even highly unionized gov't workers have decreased. When I opted to retire 2 years ago I did so because I was overall making 3% less with a 40 to 50% workload increase than I was 15 yrs prior. Nothing to do with me personally it was simply a fact due to budget restraints, cutbacks, layoffs etc. Almost all my coworkers were dual income families and if they were fortunate enough to have a healthy baby come into their lives many were taking only a couple of weeks off to get the newborn settled before being forced to return to work as benefits to take time off were also steadily reduced. If you were unfortunate enough to have a newborn with health needs you couldn't get them insured which for a family could be catastrophically financially devastating. Course on the other hand with the introduction of Obamacare (a compulsory health insurance plan) many people found themselves suddenly facing an enormous monthly health insurance bill they had never budgeted for.........soooo IMO for many to take a trip anywhere is really out of the question. The entire tourism industry is suffering as going on a holiday IS a discretionary thing. Even if you've managed to save up sufficient money for a holiday given such uncertain times do you really want to put all the savings out for a trip anywhere?

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Re: Plane full

Post by Dusak » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:56 am

The 50Le is for a round trip. I pay this amount as it is a comfortable amount to pay for me personally. My taxi driver supports his family on this. He tells me what little local business he gets the customer gives what they want, sometimes as little as 5Le for a trip half the length of mine. I'm not a person that can openly brag about receiving a very low priced taxi fare as if its some kind of ''the lowest payer wins all'' competition. In the past this amount would of been shared between 3/4 or five of us, but now they have all gone leaving me on my own. :cry:
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Re: Plane full

Post by Kaiserbernese » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:44 pm

Not all prospective visitors are scared of travelling to Luxor, some of them just can't get there from where they live.

I'm currently having difficulty booking from Manchester for next February. Even though the Egyptair has a rolling advert stating there are five weekly flight from Manchester, they are at vastly inflated prices and using other airlines.

It looks like I'm stuck with MAN- LHR and getting the luggage over to the other terminal for the Egyptair flight to Luxor!!

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Re: Plane full

Post by Brian Yare » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:02 pm

Kaiserbernese wrote:Not all prospective visitors are scared of travelling to Luxor, some of them just can't get there from where they live.

I'm currently having difficulty booking from Manchester for next February. Even though the Egyptair has a rolling advert stating there are five weekly flight from Manchester, they are at vastly inflated prices and using other airlines.

It looks like I'm stuck with MAN- LHR and getting the luggage over to the other terminal for the Egyptair flight to Luxor!!
Why can you not check the baggage right through to Luxor?

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Re: Plane full

Post by Bombay » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:05 pm

Brian Yare wrote:
Kaiserbernese wrote:Not all prospective visitors are scared of travelling to Luxor, some of them just can't get there from where they live.

I'm currently having difficulty booking from Manchester for next February. Even though the Egyptair has a rolling advert stating there are five weekly flight from Manchester, they are at vastly inflated prices and using other airlines.

It looks like I'm stuck with MAN- LHR and getting the luggage over to the other terminal for the Egyptair flight to Luxor!!
Why can you not check the baggage right through to Luxor?
Egyptair nor any Star Alliance airline flies MAN-LHR

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Re: Plane full

Post by Glyphdoctor » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:37 am

carrie wrote: I'm really sorry all you European restaurant owners but you chose to live here the Egyptians have no choice and they often have families to support too.
Just as I mentioned above about the hotels, the Egyptian restaurant owners are more easily able to shut down (and some have) and get their income in another way unrelated to tourism. The Europeans don't seem to be able to switch themselves to another line of business that doesn't involve tourists, unless they leave. Not only because of cultural reasons, but also it might mean having to obtain a new business permit.

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Re: Plane full

Post by Kim » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:46 am

Im in the same boat as you Kaiserbernese this time i flew newcastle -LHR-cairo-luxor it still cost me over £600 return i had a 5 hour stopover in cairo and on the return i will have a 9 hour stopover in cairo i was told my luggage would go straight through but it didnt i had to collect it in cairo and then drag it onto a shuttle bus to get to the other terminal
To Brian Yare when i can fly newcastle-LHR-luxor it costs me an extra £200 to have my luggage checked straight through so i usually have to take it through terminals myself the flight is usually around the £600 but with luggage im looking at nearly £1000
I have tried skyscanner, ebookers and travel agents but this seems to be the going rate from newcastle

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Re: Plane full

Post by Dusak » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:54 am

From what I can gather from acquaintances that have/had business over here its a very expensive and long drawn out process obtaining the correct licenses and permissions with high renewable costs every so often. And once you have a work permit, its attached to that field of business only, you can not change over to a new and totally different enterprise. And, lets face it, working in the food industry is not really a brainstormer of an operation, one quite easily achievable by anyone with a bit of cash that they can not really afford to loose, but insist that they can with their unmovable thoughts of immediate success and gourmet recognition. Not. All the owner has to do is organize, the staff do the money end of the enterprise, the owner taking charge of all the stress. Staff can bugger off at will and reforge their lives, but the owners are stuck in the quagmire that usually they themselves have produced by their way of thinking that they can do it in the first place. The European owners of failed businesses have three options open to them, 1, return from whence they came from, 2, sit back on what little income they have left and hope for better times, or 3, for those not able to take options 1 and 2, top themselves and leave the cost of their burial to others. An option that quite a few practiced while still alive.
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Re: Plane full

Post by Who2 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:24 am

JJ's Bar & Restaurant just won for the 3rd year running The Best Bar & Restaurant in Egypt, without I add many tourists.
Why because through the police, licences, hygiene and all the hurdles placed in one's way or another they complied with them all.
Mind you it's not fun trying to run a business when there is no interaction with customers, it's the boredom that shuts up the shop.. :cool:
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