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Re: Luxor, what can be done?

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72 virgins?

I read somewhere that, that is like the virgin Mary of the bible, it was a miss translation, the original wording was "maiden" not virgin which is just one more silly "you couldn't make it up" reason why I believe religious people are hopelessly deluded.

72 virgins was not, according to what I heard the correct translation its actually 72 nuts.

Quite a difference!

or did they mean 72 nutters?

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72 Nuts..!!!
Do you know if they are "Cashew" or "13 mm" .. :tk

I'm not living a life of servitude and restrictions for the promise of 72 nuts in an afterlife...


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I think Luxor went downhill when they started trying to 'Europeanise' it, which is probably the fault of the Old Governor. What they didn't understand is that many of us didn't come here for Western familiarities, but came because it wasn't Europe. Since then each time I have returned it has changed, and not for the better. Whole streets and shops seemed to have been demolished unnecessarily seemingly in an effort to make it look more orderly. The Corniche seems to have lost so much in a few years. The Avenue of The Sphinxes seems to have created an empty space in the middle of town, when it used to be thriving with life.
The area to the right of Sindbads is now an empty patch of land for Caleche (or was on the last visit), when it used to have several restaurants and shops.

If I was visiting now for the first time, I'm not sure that it would take my breath away in the way that it did when I first visited in 1997, and this was aside from the Antiquities, the town alone was enough of a draw for me.... Still a wonderful place but not what it was..


One thing that can be done...Tackle the Hassle...it does put people off returning..., and in some cases blights their entire holidays.

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Spot On TAL777

Although on this forum, There were many topics regarding the Europenaisation of Luxor.
May good points of view on both sides of the argument..

My main point was, I loved Luxor as it was, and if I wanted a Euro town, then I didn't need to travel to Luxor to find one,
there were plenty in...... Europe, funnily enough.. :urm:

I hate to say it, but to those who wanted the Sanitised Luxor.. See what you have now, BIG Mistake... :td
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Scottishtourist wrote:30le Dusak!
Jeez,I've given more to beggar with amputated hand outside Secret Garden Cafe in one visit!
How philanthropic of you!
How many ex-pats dig deep into their pockets?Give alms?
Topped up my mobile one day in Kodak shop.
Man came in followed by his wee boy.Kid had stookie(plaster)on his arm,wee boy aged about 7.
He'd been in motorcycle incident,broke his wrist.
Gave the kiddie 10le,told him to go get sweets,chocolate.That would make his arm better.Kinda like a mum "kissing it better."
Don't really care where the money went to.Family for food?His dad?
Didn't even cross my mind!It's £1,we shove the coins in public toilets here to avail ourselves of the facilities!
No street cred sought after or looked for.
Just a tourist seeing a kid and treating him as a "wean"who's "had a sore one!"
''I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy because I'm easy come, easy go... dedicated to one of TSGC's old queens. Make your mind up, first he had an amputated hand, now you want to give him an arm. The kid probabley strained his wrist whilst attempting to snatch a handbag from a tourist on the back of a bike. Glad I don't frequent your hospital if the only treatment you get is a sweetie to cure the ills, but then again they are cutting costs. And if Scotland can get a quid out of their country folk for taking a leak, then that is awe inspiring.
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Its a very long and positive article.

Despite continuing unrest in Egypt and threats of violence issued today, the Association of Independent Tour Operators (AITO) says it hopes the Foreign Office will soon change its advice to tourists not to travel to parts of the country unless essential.
AITO released a statement warning tourists not to let current political events affect their future holiday plans.
"Despite the milestone political events taking place in Egypt - its tour operator members are looking forward to the restrictions being lifted and holidays resuming as normal," read the statement. "[AITO] believes that holidaymakers should not be worried about holidaying in Egypt in the near future"
Tourism authorities in Egypt also tried to reassure visitors to the country following the ousting of president Mohammed Morsi on Wednesday.

Mass protests across the country and reports of violence prompted the Foreign Office to advise Britons against all but 'essential' travel to the country, excluding the Red Sea resorts.
But in a statement from the Egyptian state tourist office yesterday, the country’s interim ministry of tourism proclaimed “a new era for Egyptian tourism following the revolution of June 30”.
“Every tourist visiting Egypt presently is a most welcomed guest, whose security is safeguarded by the Egyptian people and by the authorities, and all must be assured of their safety and ability to complete their planned visits without disruption. Their families and friends at home should be equally reassured,” the statement from director of tourism Omayma El Husseini read.
“Tourists booked to visit Egypt this summer are equally reassured that there is no impediment to their visit. They will come to enjoy Egypt as millions of tourists have done for years and years, in safety and security, welcomed by their friendly and hospitable Egyptian hosts.
"Tourism in Egypt is expected to boom as of next fall as the country settles down to its newfound democracy which will bring peace and prosperity to this great country and its united people.”
Head of the constitutional court, Adly Mansour, has been sworn in as interim head of state.

Pru Goudie, AITO Council Member and Head of Business Development at On The Go Tours, said, "We have 38 passengers currently in Egypt, with a customised plan for every client. On The Go Tours is currently offering cancellation or the option to defer tours departing before 10 July – with the majority choosing to defer their holiday to later in the year.
"We’re encouraging clients to defer, as we feel it’s important to support the local Egyptians and we look forward to resuming business as usual ASAP. Any tours beyond 10 July are going ahead as normal at this stage and we are monitoring the FCO Advice regularly."
The UK government is still not asking travellers who are currently in the country to depart immediately, but urges Britons to consider whether they have a 'pressing need to remain' there.
Tourists in resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai including Sharm El Sheikh, Taba, Nuweiba and Dahab are not considered at risk but with troops and armoured vehicles still deployed in the streets of Cairo, FCO advice for imminent travellers remains to avoid all non-essential travel outside resort areas.
ABTA says it is continuing to monitor the situation and repeated its advice to tourists to check the latest FCO statement.

Thomson announced earlier this week: “Thomson and First Choice have been working with the FCO very closely and are confident that their policy of advising against non-essential travel to specific cities, rather than to the whole of Egypt is correct. The FCO advice has not changed for Sharm el Sheikh, Hurghada, Taba and Marsa Alam.
“The safety of our customers is always our number one priority and we will continue to take a measured approach throughout, as the situation continues.

It added that holidaymakers in Luxor had been repatriated on July 3 as a "precautionary measure”.
Red Sea Holidays said it had "no cause for current concern" and reported that there had been no cancellations of bookings in what had been a strong season for the company.

Peter Kearns, managing director of Red Sea Holidays said, "Recently we've been delighted to witness interest in Luxor beginning to strengthen again and numbers are starting to return. We hope that recent events do not have any negative impact on this progress and remain confident that the Egyptian people will continue to cherish their tourism industry."
Kearns added that the company had sent a team from the UK to Luxor and Red Sea for training, who would be reporting back daily on developments in the country.
Egypt travel specialists Audley said although it is currently not peak season, the FCO advice would have a “significant impact” on tourism in the country.

Audley’s head of marketing Jim Millward said, “We hope, both for those in the tourism industry whose livelihoods will be directly affected and the people of Egypt generally, that the situation resolves itself quickly and the FCO lifts its ban.
“We’re re-arranging trips for the few who were due to travel in the next few weeks, and waiting to see how the situation develops before making any decisions about the peak Autumn months.”
Clashes erupted in several provincial cities when protestors opened fire on police, with at least 14 people killed, security officials reported.
The Egyptian Tourist Authority, which has described the current turmoil as 'temporary', said it has been “closely following the latest developments in Egypt’s domestic political scene, taking into consideration that such political developments are of a temporary nature and quite expected during this transition of the Egyptian revolution.”

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Re: Luxor, what can be done?

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Zooropa wrote:72 virgins?

I read somewhere that, that is like the virgin Mary of the bible, it was a miss translation, the original wording was "maiden" not virgin which is just one more silly "you couldn't make it up" reason why I believe religious people are hopelessly deluded.

72 virgins was not, according to what I heard the correct translation its actually 72 nuts.

Quite a difference!

or did they mean 72 nutters?
"72 nuts" they are going to need a lot of hands most cannot leave 2 alone!

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Glad you don't frequent my hospital either Dusak.
We have the right to work without fear or intimidation...and smart arses get short shrift!

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Egyptologists for Egypt. Supporting the people's demands
SPARE US YOUR INTELLECTUAL DISNEYLANDS
by Rami G. Khouri
"a subtle new form of Orientalist thinking that manifests itself in two ways: One assumes that Arabs and their political cultures can only be black or white -- democracy or military rule, and nothing in between....
The most offensive aspect of so much of the international, especially American, commentary on Egypt is its absolutist nature that assumes three things that I believe are wrong assumptions: that current events in a short span of time will define Egypt for many years; that the people of Egypt essentially only face two choices, namely the Muslim Brotherhood or the armed forces; and that mobs of loyalists of both parties will clash and one of them will win, with no space in between for subtleties or nuances or groups of citizens engaging each other to craft a new political culture that is neither absolutist nor autocratic."

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Scottishtourist wrote:Glad you don't frequent my hospital either Dusak.
We have the right to work without fear or intimidation...and smart arses get short shrift!

That's no way to speak to our best man :stp

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I remeber years ago there used to be a woman in Cairo who advertised conducted tours of the capital, she would take tourists out and about to parts of Cairo they would not normally see, especially if they were lone travellers.
Could we not organise something like that, if a tourist was coming here for the first time needed a bit of help and advise, protection from the hassle, something like the Blue Guides in certain cities in GB.

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carrie wrote:I remeber years ago there used to be a woman in Cairo who advertised conducted tours of the capital, she would take tourists out and about to parts of Cairo they would not normally see, especially if they were lone travellers.
Could we not organise something like that, if a tourist was coming here for the first time needed a bit of help and advise, protection from the hassle, something like the Blue Guides in certain cities in GB.
Would that not be considered working with tourists?

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Surely not if you didn't get paid.

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No one is allowed to work with tourists without licenses, tour guides go to university to get qualified and licenced, even foreign tour reps are not tour guides or can act as such.
Any foreigner working must have a work permit whatever the pay arrangements are.

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Luxor needs investment but what type of investment to attract what type of tourist. Some investment will need to be corporates but some will need to be local and done by local people. Some things like garbage should be able to be fixed whilst others might need the city to improve infrastructure with an eye to the type of tourists being attracted. There was a 10 year plan developed at great cost by a US consultancy which dealt with all of this and set out a plan for modest yearly improvement because not all the things that need to change are the responsibility of hotels and tour companies. No entrepreneur is going to invest in current climate so any 'investment' will need to be local but the locals don't seem to be organized and always look to Cairo/Minister to fix their problems.

Take the example of the film festival. Did the local tour companies, hotels etc sponsor it and use it to promote their businesses? Is anyone trying to fix the lack of night entertainment by which I do not mean the tawdry 'show'.

Luxor needs to work out whether it is going to invest on mass or niche tourism.

I've read on this forum about local chamber of commerce/tourism but does it ever do things which count? Does anyone other than the Governor and Mayor accept responsibility (not that they do) for the bad behavior of the touts? From what I read the businesses which rely on tourism are incapable of co-operating for the common good and that if they could co-operate some things could be done to make the city more attractive and less full of hassle.

The spending of more marketing money ignores that there is a lot on the ground that can and needs to be fixed locally and that it would be wasted in the current political environment.

The corporate investors won't move until the politics change, so not much can be done about that, and when they feel confident will need to be attracted back (given they could invest elsewhere) by a council and businesses which have done all they can to make a visit pleasurable and safe.

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There are plenty of very intelligent folk out there with plenty of low cost ideas to better the tourist areas and the visitors themselves. But unfortunately there is always some low pay graded knob 'ed that thinks that they know/could do it better which effectively destroys the planing and or organization. All events here are badly advertised, canceled, organized, moved or given the wrong venue dates. Its uncontrollable mayhem at times. Leave it to those that can do the job. As for Bombay's posting, these again are just words and unfortunately the people that want or are considering to visit will still remember all the problems we have suffered from day one up to our present time. Would any intelligent thinking person wish to take the chance this year? I doubt it.
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Re: Luxor, what can be done?

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LLuxor's problems were mainly born some thirty years ago, with the arrival of mass tourism. Up until that time it was really a back water place, and only a very few locals ever came into contact with tourists, begging was not allowed or tolerated, as you may know, this is not Islamic.

The only time you really came into contact with locals, was on the WB. Of all the taxis, buses, etc, that are there today, way back, there was only four taxis then, three of those old drivers are still around today, the other died quite recently. You may be quite amazed how wealthy each of those families are now.

As for Luxor town, it is a place that over the past thirty years has been built on greed. While Luxor prospered, other cities and towns local to this gained nothing, and no outsider was allowed to 'work' the streets of Luxor. Ever wondered why you see the same old characters, begging etc, year after year. For example 'Shakespeare' , Sabbrena and Mona. Do you really think they are poor? get real. Have you ever thought why most Egyptian people away from Luxor hate it, ask, and you will see. Perhaps you can begin to see why Mosi gave you the govener he thought it deserved.

As for any of the ex-pats thinking they can change Luxor, I am sorry, its too late, it will be like Dendara and Edfu, and the government will keep a good eye on taxation. As for the independent traveler this has and always will be so in Luxor, ..............but these people are no fools.

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Scottishtourist wrote:Glad you don't frequent my hospital either Dusak.
We have the right to work without fear or intimidation...and smart arses get short shrift!
Whenever I see that sign..

"We have the right to work without fear or intimidation"


You know you are being reminded that the place offers a crap service
and you are EXPECTED to put up with it ...

Right.. :urm:

You don't see that sign in retail outlets do you ? :cool:
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At the end of the day, Luxor belongs to the people born and bred here, and it will be them that decide what Luxor turns into and not us, I just hope they choose right, for their sake.

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