Lost in Translation or...?

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Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:17 pm

Things that go bump in the night! :o

I know my friend Mr. Bing can get things pretty muddled up sometimes, as can his co-translators too. This one has got me giggling though.

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مباشر من الأقصر

فى بهو المعبد اعتاد أن يجلس فى عتمة الليل على أضواء خافتة مقبلة من الشارع، بينما يقف صديقه يتلفت هنا وهناك أثناء نوبة الحراسة، ورغم أنهما يقومان بهذه المهمة التى اعتادا عليها منذ أكثر من 25 عاماً، فإن ثمة شيئاً ما جدّ عليهما مؤخراً، أشبه بلعنة الفراعنة، حيث يشعران بحركة التماثيل ليلاً، ويفاجآن بأصوات تعلو وتنادى باسميهما. وليد عبدالستار، وبدوى محمود، حارسا معبد الكرنك، ومعهما حارس جديد، رويا مشاهداتهما اليومية، فبمجرد انتهاء عرض الصوت والضوء ورحيل جميع زوار المعبد تبدأ اللعنة، حيث كان «وليد» و«بدوى» يشعران بالخوف من تلك المهنة، ويعتبران ما يشاهدانه ويسمعانه مجرد «هلاوس»، لكنهما اكتشفا، بمرور الوقت، أنها «لعنة الفراعنة» التى تسيطر على المكان بحسب تفسيرهما، حيث يمران بنفس المشهد ويسمعان نفس الأصوات يومياً. وليد رجل خمسينى أكد أنه اعتاد مشاهدة حركة غريبة فى المعبد بعد الثانية عشرة ليلاً، بعضها لحيوانات وأخرى لتماثيل، لكنه أكد أنه لا يميز الأشكال جيداً بسبب الظلام، بخلاف أن هناك أماكن داخل المعبد يستحيل الاقتراب منها أو دخولها ليلاً، مشيراً إلى أنه وزملاءه اتفقوا على أن هدفهم هو حراسة المعبد من الإنس، والتغاضى عما يحدث داخله ليلاً.

إدريس، موظف فى مدينة الشباب والرياضة بالأقصر، اتفق مع ما يرويه حراس المعبد، موضحاً أن «لعنة الفراعنة» تحيط دائماً بالأماكن الأثرية، وهو ما يُصعّب من مهمة فتح أى مقابر فرعونية جديدة.

ويروى الشاب الثلاثينى أنه شاهد بنفسه عملية فتح مقبرة فرعونية اكتشفها الأهالى بالأقصر، وعندما حاول شخص اقتحام المكان ضربته لعنة الفراعنة ليسقط صريعاً على الفور، واصفاً اللعنة بأنها تظهر على هيئة «شبح أسود طويل»، مؤكداً أن الشخص الذى مات عند أبواب المقبرة عند عرضه على الطب الشرعى لم يتبين سبب وفاته.
Karnak Temple guard «»: the statues move at night. And sounds beckon us to our direct from Luxor in the lobby of the temple he used to sit in the darkness of night on Dim lights come from the street, while his friend peered here and there during an escort, and although they do the job that used them for over 25 years, there is something very recently, they were more like the curse of the Pharaohs, as are motion Modeler at night, weivagan voices and advocates their names. Waleed Abdul Sattar, and DOI Mahmoud, guards the Temple of Karnak, along with a new janitor, Roya their Visibles daily, once the sound and light show and the departure of all visitors to the temple begin to ****, where the «newborn» and «nomadic» feel the fear of that profession, and are what is watching him like and can hear him just '' hallucinations, '' but they discovered, over time, it's "curse of the Pharaohs that controlled the place according to their interpretation, which are undergoing the same scene and hear the same sounds every day. Walid man pulled up he used to watch the strange movement in the temple after twelfth night, some of the animals and other statues, but stressed that he does not distinguish shapes well because of darkness, apart from that there are places inside the temple, it is impossible to approach or enter the night, noting that he and his colleagues agreed that their goal is to guard the Temple of human rights and disregard what is happening inside at night.

Idris, an employee in the city of youth and sports in Luxor, I agree with what offended the guards the temple, explaining that the "curse of the Pharaohs" always takes archaeological and difficult task of opening any new pharaonic tombs.

And tells the young man he saw himself giving the Pharaonic cemetery discovered by people open to Luxor, and when someone tried to break into the place hit by the curse of the Pharaohs to the fall died immediately, calling the **** they appear as "ghost long black», confirming that the person who died at the gates of the cemetery at the forensic medicine has not found the cause of death.
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by LovelyLadyLux » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Cute one! :))

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:29 pm

Thanks for that article. Very useful.

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:39 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:Thanks for that article. Very useful.
May I ask in what respect?
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:42 pm

Ohh...and I've just noticed the asterisks so not sure if an auto sensor here or Keefy put them in. It was the word they've replaced (a 4 letter word that is similar to a designer name ;) ) that made me giggle most when in [loose] context with the rest of the text. :oops:
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Scottishtourist » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:53 pm

HEPZIBAH wrote:
Glyphdoctor wrote:Thanks for that article. Very useful.
May I ask in what respect?
I can barely make head nor tail of it Hepzibah!

What on earth are they talking about?
Moving statues?Things that go "bump in the night?"Curse of the Pharaohs?

Superstitious nonsense..or fertile imaginations!

Maybe it's just another way to try and attract tourists!

Don't suppose I can criticize though.After all...just look at the crowds who visit Lourdes!
Difference is though,that they are pilgrims!

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by BENNU » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:24 pm

HEPZIBAH wrote:Things that go bump in the night! :o


once the sound and light show and all visitors to the temple begin to ****... he used to watch the strange movement in the temple after twelfth night... there are places inside the temple, it is impossible to approach or enter the night... and when someone tried to break into the place hit by the curse of the Pharaohs to the fall died immediately, calling the **** they appear as "ghost long black», confirming that the person who died at the gates of the cemetery at the forensic medicine has not found the cause of death.
:worry: The Twelfth Night... isn't that tonight? :witch:

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Dusak » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:06 am

I heard that they [the tourist ministry in Cairo] had employed a black witch to write such things in the hopes that it will encourage new tourists to Luxor. Its all about re-location re-location re-location. :witch:
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Who2 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:36 am

Well anybody that knows or has studied psychometry would not be surprised at all, with over 5000 years of usage by religious beings
the infrastructure must have picked up a fair bit of the human story…. :cool:
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:47 am

The old saying 'even the walls have ears' comes to mind. If that is so, I would imagine the walls at Karnak are just crying out in boredom at the sound track used for the Sound and Light Show! It may have been improved a few years back but it still leaves a lot to be desired.
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Bullet Magnet » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:03 am

Moving Statues eh ? one of my theories regarding the ones outside of Luxor Temple..
Holes for flags above the statues, really ???
Clever lot those Ancients.. Hopefully we will catch up with them over the next 50 years or so.. :cool:
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:34 am

Bullet Magnet wrote:Moving Statues eh ? one of my theories regarding the ones outside of Luxor Temple..
Holes for flags above the statues, really ???
Clever lot those Ancients.. Hopefully we will catch up with them over the next 50 years or so.. :cool:
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If I hadn't seen this as posted by yourself Bullet Magnet, I would have thought it was written by another member completely.
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:13 pm

Hepzi, in answer to your question: it's useful for a research project I plan to do.

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:22 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:Hepzi, in answer to your question: it's useful for a research project I plan to do.
Jinns, genies and ghostly gatherings? ;)
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:50 pm

It's still at the phase of putting together a bibliography, but basically what happened was when Christianity started to spread in Egypt and there were both Christians and pagans in Egypt, the Christians did not deny the existence of ancient gods, but rather just spread the idea that they were demons. So instead of stamping out the ancient religion, they just transformed it into something else and practices and ideas concerning the temples and the gods within continued even after Christianity became the predominant religion and have continued until today. So this is one of the things I want to look at, but I don't have a real clearly defined plan of what I want to do yet. I did cover some of this in my PhD though as I had a chapter on comtemporary fertility practices at ancient sites, so I want to expand on that.

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by A-Four » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:06 pm

Not sure here Glyph which which wave of Christians you are looking at.

Is it the the first Christian wave that entered Egypt at around 70 A.D., or do you refer to the early Coptic Church.

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:01 am

Early Coptic Church. For example, there was a Bes at Abydos that was terrorizing people.

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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Dusak » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:05 am

Glyphdoctor wrote:Early Coptic Church. For example, there was a Bes at Abydos that was terrorizing people.
There's an ex one on here doing the same. :mrgreen:
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Re: Lost in Translation or...?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:35 pm

This is another part of my research:
http://www.thecairopost.com/news/133369 ... n-in-tombs

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