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Post by Major Thom » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:51 am

A question I have always wanted to ask. Just after last Christmas we came across a road accident which had just happened, there were no emergency services attending at that time. I got from the motorbike and went to see if I could help. The injured person had a suspected broken leg, compound fracture I presumed judging from the amount of blood. Two or three mins later the .emergency services attended. I decided to rubber neck or help if I could. The thing I noticed was there seemed to be no attention to the three "B's", Breathing, Bleeding and Broken Bones. The injured was put into a sparsely equipped ambulance, not in a very dignified way. Go forbid, but has anyone had a serious accident and been scrapped up from the road, did you find the people on the ambulance qualified to Paramedic standards, did you find the ambulance scarce? I have noticed other things, such has firemen attending fires dressed in inappropriate attire and wearing flip flops. No one wants to be involved in accidents, but would lives be saved by better training, would property be saved by proper equipment?
We are fortunate in Europe to be governed by regulations, that enforce emergency services to be properly trained and equipped, and our property development is governed by strict fire rules, both are rigouresley enforced to protect lives. I know because many people keep telling me that I do not live in the UK, so please keep that statement out and reply to your own experiences.



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Re: Question?

Post by Mad Dilys » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:05 am

Nothing can be done without one essential - funding.
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Re: Question?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:42 am

My own experience is that when a child with Down's Syndrome living in one of the flats downstairs from us in Cairo set their flat on fire, three fire trucks came rather promptly from across the river through the nighttime traffic and put out the fire before it could spread beyond that flat. I don't know what they were wearing, but they did their job. I've also seen them put out a fire in a shop across the street before it could spread and many other fires in our neighborhood. There was one summer they literally were coming to our neighborhood practically every day to put out fires but never did any entire building burn down.

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:54 am

What most westerners would consider inadequate medical attention at road accidents is pretty much the norm in Egypt and is, as MD says, and as with so many other things, down to lack of funding.

There's also a lower level of understanding amongst the public about what the first responder should do. I've seen seriously injured people being bundled into the backs of cars and whisked off to hospital...rather that waiting for an ambulance.

When in Egypt you should take EXTRA care not to be a victim of any accident requiring medical assistance and seriously consider having accident insurance....although this might be problematic for long term resident foreigners.

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Re: Question?

Post by Dusak » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:41 am

I was told last year by a friend taking the 'choose one answer from the three given' driving license test here for English speakers only that one of the questions asked that if you knocked down a pedestrian what would your actions be? I honestly can not remember the three questions, but the correct answer was put the victim in the car and take them to the nearest hospital. So I tend to agree, more training is required across the population. A neck injury could suddenly turn into a full paralysis if the person is not supported in the correct manner by a fully trained ambulance crew before taking them to the hospital.
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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:32 pm

You are so right "D" it's like the thing they call the golden hour, many road accident victims are injured a lot more by inadequate treatment or paralysed by not preparing the patient before transportation. If ambulances are not equipped or the drivers not trained, you are wasting your money purchasing them, you had May as well buy a few pick up trucks, or donkeys and carts with a blue light and a two tone. When I was young, our St Johns Ambulance was sponsored by local business's and donations helped purchase the equipment to fit it out. I believe this is still done in some countries. The firefighters although they may well be thorough and put out fires quickly, flame suits and safety equipment will save injuries, such as burns etc. But if monies tight, why build new Cities etc, before the basics are in order?
I have seen firefighter here at work and yes they are effective, but they make me cower back when they just dive in wearing scandals, tee shirt and clothes that could catch fire very quickly.
I often wonder if driving tests are in order, you have to have the correct mindset also to be a driver, many accidents all over the world are caused by impatience, a thing that is quite common here. "Do now, think later"
I a not whinging like some think, this is a subject that can both save victims and those who help victims.

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:06 pm

You're always whinging MT...moaning about this or that in relation to Egypt's inadequacies . It's repetitive, boring and , ultimately, pointless.

Egypt is a third world country with infrastructure, services etc. to match.

Get over it.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:22 pm

So why spend money on silly projects, when these things can be improved?

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:28 pm

No idea.

None of my business....nor yours.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:15 am

Newc. Myself and wife rarely go out much these days, but when we do go out we notice things, surely you do to. Maybe you do not live in Luxor as you claim, and that is the reason you do not notice things. There are plenty of people on the forum that have complaints, but you seem to single the odd one or two out all the time, (your not by yourself) so I would but the following claim back to yourself, BORING!!. I am all for Luxor improving itself, money or no money, you do not need money to do most of the improvements. You call Egypt a third world Country, that maybe, but at least some are trying to change it, and by that I don't mean ex pats. So stop having ago at others, put your hands on top of your head and take a look what's stood underneath. OK.....If you like what you see keep it to yourself please.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:45 am

Going on, whatever Egypt does should be for the benefits of Egyptians, and Egyptians only. From a Luxor point of view, no matter his small Luxor is, some of the things happening are not really for the people of Luxor, I don't need to mention them on the forum, they have already been highlighted. This is a thing that we all hope will get sorted eventually by the people that were voted into Parliament by the local people, they are the ones that are responsible for worthy improvements.
I will mention one thing though, the new bridge over the Red Sea that is planned, from a Luxor point of view how many locals will it effect, will it cause extra security problems, what about visa's for local people to leave Egypt for Saudi, many find it hard to leave Egypt has it is. A great feat of engineering I am sure, but the money it would cost? Could this be put to more beneficial uses for the Egyptian people?

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:46 am

MT :

You're not alone, I imagine, in wishing Egypt was more like UK, Australia or any other well developed country you've visited. But it's not, and it's not going to change in your lifetime.

You are a tourist here with no right whatsoever to interfere in the running of the country - at any level.

Most of your posts can be characterised as complaints and whinges - but it's your choice to live here .

If you seriously think that your views, or anything you say, would be of interest to the powers that be, then I suggest you address them directly to the relevant municipal department.

Of course you won't. You probably don't know how to. And why would they have the slightest interest in listening to a tourist (particularly if they'd read some of your views and remarks about what you perceive as their shortcomings)?

And if you want to stop me poking you, stop asking silly rhetorical questions.

The only remotely sensible thing you've ever said is that you've had enough and are thinking of leaving.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:18 am

6 or 7 years ago you could not see many local people they were swamped by tourists in both Luxor and Aswan, staying in Hotels and going on cruises, now it's a game of spotting the tourists. In them days how many tourists went to Qena for a fortnight, how many went to Assuit for a fortnight? There were only two holiday hotspots in Upper Egypt for tourists in the Nile Valley, and for good reasons. This could come back someday we all know that, how long it will take no one knows, but if investment is not done, the Nile Valley will remain a "has been" . Poverty will be the order of the day. It's alright saying Luxor or Aswan will become specialist holidays, I totally agree, but we are looking at a new breed of tourists who want luxury, who want some form of night life, and who want to go back and say there is something in Luxor and Aswan for everyone, from the single tourist to the family. What better advert could you get. I am still a believer Luxor is great, and have hated to see its decline, but often enough we see places that start to decline and go so far they cannot get out of decline, and that would be a disaster for both Luxor and Aswan, let alone the cruise companies. What to do about it is not our problem, it's up to the elected people to prove that investment is a good way forward. On a shopping trip on Thursday the man driving the taxi told us that all money coming to Egypt never gets further than Cairo, he also said we never expect because we never get, do I believe that no! But if it is the case Upper Egypt will never get back in its feet again. My posts incidentally are aimed at getting views from forum members and not from anyone else. I appreciate we are what you say tourists but even tourists have views, that's why Luxor is void of tourists.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:21 am

At least I am putting my views and not spending my valuable time putting other members of the forum down, I prefer to be more diplomatic, but some members really do deserve a reaction from me.

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:31 am

Look I could say on this forum I am giving Luxor 20M dollars to invest in its future, but certain forum members would decry this action, you know who you are. Even if I had that sort of cash, I would want to know how it would be used, but forum members would then say I have no right to know, so why would I want to bother?

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Re: Question?

Post by Glyphdoctor » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:36 am

Major Thom wrote:This is a thing that we all hope will get sorted eventually by the people that were voted into Parliament by the local people, they are the ones that are responsible for worthy improvements.
And how are they responsible?

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:13 am

Does anyone ever think of their future, we are all getting older by the day, and needs change. I gather that no one thinks this way. When we moved to Luxor we were very content in our villa and felt very secure, in fact we still do, we even enjoy Luxor and it's interesting places, but we also have to look to the future, will we be mobile in another ten years, we have no family here to look after our needs and there are no services we could turn to for future needs. We knew this before we came, and we came here at the same time our daughter moved to Australia. What we did do though is move here with a future game plan and a plotted future, you cannot decry anyone for that. We still even today have the same future plans and Luxor although a great place and a secure place to live, will not be able to offer us what we want in our twilight years. Therefore you have to look into the future and secure these years ahead of you, like Newc. states things will not change in our lifetime.Those that do not may regret it in the future. Those that keep on saying I am whinging all the time are wrong, they cannot tell someone expressing their views from someone really complaining. Take electric cuts, water cuts, useless bus stops, poor traffic knowledge lack of education etc etc these are not complaints just me pointing out my views, if I wanted to complain I would address the right body of people. Just read GD's last post, are they not responsible for achieving the requirements of the area they represent, or are they just there to make numbers up? Are they not there to represent the views of the people from their area or not? Is it me that has got the idea of area representation in parliament wrong? I read most posts on the forum and I read those who press the like buttons it gives you an insight of the persecutors and the gangs of Luxor. I prefer the old forums when you can get information, read people's views, and let people know of what was happening in Luxor, instead of the constant put downs and gangland warfare.

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:44 am

I think MT is morphing into ST !

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Re: Question?

Post by newcastle » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:05 am

Really MT.....

I'm sure you're a harmless cove, understandably disappointed that your Luxor experience has not turned out as you hoped.

But must you go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....about it?

We all (me included) make the odd comment, have the occasional moan or whinge. No harm in that.

But to turn it into a multi-post, retirement hobby, day in, day out.....?

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Re: Question?

Post by Major Thom » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:16 am

I don't think so Newc. Even though I do understand some of her points of view. Everyone is an individual with different thought an d views on everything, I presume you put this on to get a like from Yildez, GD, WI, or maybe MD. but again whether for fun or not you are wrong. I suppose when I see you walking around Luxor again I will have to bow to you, but please don't wear that silly crown :lol: :lol:

You and myself have to realise we are individuals with entirely different points of view, I really cannot be bothered about what people think of either mine or your points of view, I think even Dusak although has some of the cuff views also has some good views and honest views, then you get the Doctor whose posts I could read all day long and still not understand them. But this is individualism for you.

I suppose when you go shopping you are the only one that uses the bus stops are you? :lol: :lol:

No I am not disappointed in my Luxor experience, I would not have missed it for the world, but if you read my post I am looking to secure a better experience for our twighlight years and nothing else.

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