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:tk Incredible that a non alcohol hotel is a sensation, an alternative - in a muslim country... :urm:


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Yes, "came across", but not necessarily racist in my view. I also commented on my knowledge of D's love of provoking.


"Semantics"

So if I said my boss "came across" as an untalented useless idiot am I in fact saying that I think he is an untalented useless idiot?

Or just thinking, or as in your case writing out loud whilst also throwing it out for debate?

Or would I be saying that so that upon discovering that I was in the minority and the comment caused a backlash I could then furiously back peddle out of the comment instead of just holding up my hands and saying sorry?

I credit the other poster for at least not trying to deny what they said.

I think, in the interests of cohesion and a friendly atmosphere I will refrain from further comment except to say I stand by both my comments and Dusak.
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Remus wrote:This will suit the new Egyptian Puritanism. There will be more.

As for the Gulf & Saudi arabs who spend their summers here in Egypt, my guess is that they will still prefer the hotels, bars, casinos and fleshpots of Cairo - though perhaps safely depositing their wives etc on the all-female floor of a non-alcoholic hotel.
My thoughts exactly but I choose not to go to Hurghada because as another poster stated "it is not Egypt". As tour operators, we have also deleted Hurghada from our tour itineraries after a few incidents involving unwanted sexual advances by young Egyptian men towards our female travellers.

Hurghada certainly does not show the best that Egypt has to offer even with a non-alcohol hotel.They need to curb the testosterone fueled advances of the hospitality and dive staff before we return.
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BENNU wrote:I stayed at beautiful hotel in Sharm el Sheikh, food was really delicious and the staff was the best I have experienced in Egypt. I would happily have sacrificed alcohol that one week if that would have meant that I could enjoy breakfast without being surrounded by drunken Russians and Danes. I took the chance that it would be empty in April 2011, but there were corpses floating in the pool, sipping beer from straws and maneuvering icecream cones at the same time. Mountains of chips and burgers were consumed IN the pool by those who were too drunk to walk to the restaurant. Others would eat in the elegant restaurant in microscopic swimwear. It was all inclusive and I lost weight, not from swimming because I chose to avoid the stinking pools, but I was put off by all these drunken guests. Apart from wine with dinner, all I ordered that whole week was ONE glass of "juice". There was mineral water and a kettle with teabags and nescafe in the room, and that is where I spend most of my time.
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Exactly why I don't go to Sharm el Sheikh either. It is not Egypt.
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As new hotel opens in Hurghada serving no alcohol, hotel groups call for reconsidering ratings system.

Last week, the Les Rois hotel in Hurghada opened to the sound of breaking glass as bottles of alcohol were smashed in celebration.

The hotel was touted as Egypt’s first non-alcohol serving hotel, but the move has some recent precedents. When Abdul Aziz Al Ibrahim, a Saudi businessman who bought the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Egypt, prevented alcoholic drinks from being served at one of Downtown Cairo’s major luxury hotels, the move sparked some debate, spurring former tourism minister, Zuhair Garana, to threaten to cut the hotel’s ranking from five stars to two.

The owners of Les Rois have decided to not serve any alcohol to tourists at the hotel, in order to promote “a new kind of tourism”.

The hotel administration has also announced it will not be providing any services which violate Islamic Sharia law.

It will also be allocating a floor for women only, complete with female security guards, which will include a swimming pool, a restaurant, and a dance lounge.

The hotel owners said that the hotel earmarked the fourth floor as a women-only space because it overlooks a mountainous area, reducing the risk of violating “female modesty”.

The opening ceremony was attended by Freedom and Justice Party Secretary Refa’at Mansour, dozens of Salafi figures, representatives from the Hurghada Church, and Sheikh Ahmed Tawfiq, Al-Azhar’s director general.

Statistics released by Egypt’s Chamber of Commerce highlight that since the outbreak of the 25 January revolution, occupancy rates have decreased by 50% for Egyptian hotels and tourist resorts, leading some within the industry to promote the construction of ‘Islamic’ hotels in an attempt to attract more Arab tourism.

Tourism is thought to account for upwards of 11.3% of Egypt’s GDP and provide the country with 15.2% of its foreign currency reserves. Roughly 45% of Egypt’s service industry is also geared towards tourism, a sector which accounts for 9.2% of Egypt’s total investment. Nearly 12.6% of Egypt’s population works either directly or indirectly through the tourism sector, with 1.8 million workers employed directly and 1.2 million workers employed indirectly.

Egypt hosted 14.7 million tourists in 2010, reaping $12.5bn in revenue, with those numbers dropping after the outbreak of the January 25th revolution to 9.8 million and $8.8bn respectively.

These numbers improved throughout 2012 to 11.5 million tourists and $10bn in revenue.

The hotel, located in the south-east of the Red Sea province and owned by a number of Salafi businessmen, has come as part of an attempt by some to ‘Islamise’ Egypt’s tourist industry. The hotel does not allow for the sale or consumption of alcohol on its premises, and has also set aside separate male and female swimming pools to be used by guests.

Executive Director of Les Rois Abdel Baset Amr said that the hotel hoped to attract “a new kind of tourist”, specifically those coming from Saudi Arabia, the Gulf and other parts of Egypt. “As the number of tourists coming from Europe has dropped,” he explained, “we need to replace those numbers with tourists from other Arab countries.”

Hesham Zazou, Egypt’s Minister of Tourism, stated on Sunday during a press conference in Dubai that so far 3 million tourists had visited Egypt during the first quarter of the 2013 fiscal year, a 14.6% increase compared to the previous year.

Amr added that “tourist occupancy rates have increased 10% over the last several days, with Egypt’s new plan to promote Arab tourism received positively by Russian and German tourist officials”.

“The hotel is for all tourists of various nationalities including Egyptians, both Muslims and Christians,” he said.

Amr said that he would not prevent any tourist from bringing their own alcoholic drinks with them. Moreover, the hotel allows men and women to mingle in private room.

In response to the move, Zazou said: “The hotel’s administration is aware that by forbidding the sale of alcohol the Ministry will be forced to drop their overall star rating.”

He added, however, that the Ministry was yet to receive any response from the hotel itself.

Deputy Chairman of the Chamber of Red Sea Hotels Hani El-Shaer has said that he has already submitted a request to the Ministry “to cancel star rankings based on alcoholic drink services”.

“Ranking may depend on hygiene, service, well-trained staff, the etiquette of delivering orders to tourists, the hotel structure, green areas, a health club and other criteria,” he said. “Not serving alcoholic drinks should no longer be considered a drawback.”

However, he said he did not like the Les Rois being referred to as an ‘Islamic’ hotel, “because it means that the rest of our hotels and resorts are somehow less Islamic. Furthermore, some hotels in Europe ban smoking, which is also prohibited under Sharia- are they therefore any more Islamic?”

According to a Ministry of Tourism source who wanted to remain anonymous, the Ministry will be “reviewing standards and determinants of star ratings in order to cancel the requirement for hotels to provide alcoholic drinks for guests in order to maintain a certain rating”.

“The new terms will require the hotel to obtain a high score for their bars without specifying the quality of goods or type of drinks provided for guests there,” he explained.

El-Shaer believes that tourists staying at hotels which do not serve alcohol would have no problems finding it in nearby bars or nightclubs, and that he therefore did not believe occupancy rates would fall following the introduction of more non-alcohol serving hotels.

“Hotel occupancy is based mainly on the good management of a hotel,” he emphasised.

The controversy surrounding this hotel, he said, is simply due to timing “since we are living under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood”.

He also said he believed there were up to ten other hotels in Hurgada that do not serve alcoholic drinks.

“In Egypt there are around 4,555 restaurants,” he continued. “Only about 20% of them serve alcoholic drinks.”

He added the owner of the hotel has declared that it is not an Islamic hotel, but he does not want to be financially involved with any act violating Islamic Sharia.

Zazou has previously said that the Ministry of Tourism is considering issuing licences for the establishment of Islamic hotels to attract a cluster of Egyptians and Arabs from neighbouring countries.

Khaled Said, spokesperson for the Salafi Front, said that the Les Rois was “a good sign” and that his group hoped it would be “a successful experiment”, and one that will “hopefully be repeated again”.

“The West respects those who respect themselves,” he said to media outlets.

Economist Ayman Al-Farouk, who is also a member of the Salafi Al-Nour Party, said that the new hotel and “this new kind of tourism” will “show the whole world how to respect us”.

He explained that such initiatives would be aimed at specific groups of Muslim tourists in Middle Eastern countries, mainly Dubai and Turkey.

According to Al-Arabeya, Sheikh Ahmed Tawofee, a Red Sea cleric, called the inauguration “historic”.

A video posted on YouTube shows hotel managers celebrating the launch by smashing bottles of alcohol and pouring out their contents.

Source: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/05/0 ... l-tourism/
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Re: Egypt's 'first' no-alcohol hotel opens in Hurghada

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Nice, leave the wife and kids in a safe and sound environment then hit the flesh-pots of Hurgharda with your mates beats Cairo then you can relieve your hangover next day on the beach...:cool:
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The hotel was reviewed this morning on BBC24. The hotel is an existing one in a 'scruffy' state of repair as the corespondent termed it. The manager/owner stated that hopefully many more would follow in his footsteps. The Islamic hotels are the way forward. He stated. There would be no cigaret smoking or those famed puff pipes or alcohol available or any other ''bad habits' although he failed to state what other ''bad habits'' they would be. One can only guess. There was only one Muslim family in attendance, although they could of been dragged inside for the advertisement. Only the full battle dressed wife of the family spoke, stating she felt very safe and comfortable and had always wanted to visit the big H but didn't like what she had saw in the past. Of course, as you couldn't see her lips move it could of been a voice over to cover her protests at not been able to get a drink or go for a fag. They showed the staff ceremoniously smashing the drinks bottles but as these said bottles were already empty, someone had probably emptied them first to avoid any staining on the old carpets. A very big and stern looking MB oversaw this interview in the once money generating bar area, perhaps he was the bouncer.

Pleas note, the term fag relates to a slang term for a cigarette and the word puff is in relation the combined action of the mouth and lungs to expedite the removal of unwanted smoke from that particular orifice. I have no problem with people drinking alcohol during the day and I'm not suggesting that a Muslim guy emptied the bottles first. If anyone finds even one full stop or comma suggestive of any kind of insulting remark or phobic this or not PC that, then its tough titties.
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You said titties Dusak tut tut :lol:
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You can always get over the asterisks. :up That is one of those Northern sayings, meaning nothing small is of importance.
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