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Egyptian wives ranked #1 for beating their husbands

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Egyptian wives ranked #1 internationally for beating their husbands

Egyptians always love to be on top, and Egyptian women made that happen in a vigorous competition with other women of the world. According to Sada El Balad News, the official government statistics that just came out from the Family Law Court confirm that 28 per cent of Egyptian women have/do beat their husbands.

Out of that percentage, 66 per cent have filed for divorce or annulment – the reason being that men's response to physical violence is topping women with their legal immunity through accusing their wives of recalcitrance.

The news source also reports that the statistics also revealed information about items used in physical violence, such as slippers, sharp weapons, belts, needles, utensils, and sometimes they roofie their husbands, so they beat their husbands with no resistance in return. The same source reveals that the percentage of women who beat their husbands is 23 per cent in the United States, 17 per cent in the U.K., and 11 per cent in India.

While some men do experience violence and we do not condone any form of abuse against them, it is still critical to keep in mind that Egyptian women are more prone to experiencing physical violence in different forms; this includes domestic, public, verbal, physical and gender-based sexual violence. In 2013, Amnesty International's study in Egypt showed 47% women have experienced domestic violence. Luckily, there are many centres and organisations tackling gender-based violence in Egypt, and working towards eradicating the phenomena and treating the victims.


Source: http://www.cairoscene.com/Buzz/Egyptian ... r-Husbands


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:o I can't see this happening in Luxor :o
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Roofie their husbands? Whats that then, a full body slam on top of them while they sleep. :lol:
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Appalling - Egyptian women are bashing their men. Really! As if this was the real issue. A disgrace of a news article designed to paint women black and men white. The real story is invariably the other way. Why tell it this way?

I think its pretty safe to assume that when there are wide gaps in legal, religious and social power between women and men - women will not be the winners and that we will know this because they have black eyes and broken ribbs .

The article ignores that issue. Such divides are rarely a good story.

The article is absurd and avoids the huge divide in power between men and women in Egypt.I t ignores - beacuse no-ome counts, the domestic violence by men against women. - that the big issue violence is probably domestic violence by men against women and girls. Cairoscene is usually more serious. There story is a disgrace.

Keefy may put the article forward as a crazy absurdity (it was :D ) - the reality is probably that it is a lie and that there is widespread violence against women and girls and that this happens as a matter of course because men think they have higher rights. If this is the case there will probably not be Cairoscene, or other, articles about this. Why is there press about this silly story?

Everything we know in the west in the last two decades is that if you are a woman, and to want to get killed, raped or bashed, its going to happen in your home. Not on the street and not from a stranger. The person who kills or bashes you is going to be the person you love. In many cases he will get off. Maybe Egypt is different - I doubt it - the only difference in Egypt is likely to be the reporting and the usually excellent Cairoscene and its uppereclass liberal supporters do no-one any good by putting forward the bull that women bash men in the home. I'm sure they do but that is not the bigger issue. Shame on them. They disgrace themselves and their country.

So - there is another - but sad - story that huge amounts of Western money in the past few decades have gone into Egypt NGO'S and other places to improve the status of women. I think its probably all failed and the rates of FGM would be good evidence of this. The numbers of upperclass female Ministers is a deception. The Westerners have failed but I don't see much of domestic feminist activity to say that such crazy news articles miss the big issue. The local feminists aren't interested in the poor let alone domestic violence. They all have good US liberal masters and doctorates that are looking for a job. Its a specific comment on the harsh, cynical nature of the Egyptian upper classes and whether they really have answers for everyday Egyptian problems. They don't and the Cairoscene iarticle s superb and clear evidence of this. As if anyone with any sense and education thinks that female violence against men in Egypt is a real issue!

Who would want to be a woman in Egypt? If you were rich it could be ok but otherwise awful. And - you read Cairosecene and 'realize' that your problem is that women bash men. Really! What an appalling story for them to run.

I read Cairoscene a lot. In the future I will read it as my commonsense has always told me to read it - although I've ignored it. Elite Cairo opinion which disparages all others, has a cringing acceptance of Western opinion and is not part of the solution in Egypt. Its a lot like general elite liberal democratic opinion in Egypt. It doesn't understand how serious the problems are.

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Hafiz wrote:I think its pretty safe to assume that when there are wide gaps in legal, religious and social power between women and men - women will not be the winners and that we will know this because they have black eyes and broken ribbs .

The article ignores that issue. Such divides are rarely a good story.In fairness, the story didn't purport to be about women v. men but about Egyptian women v other women

The article is absurd and avoids the huge divide in power between men and women in Egypt.I t ignores - beacuse no-ome counts, the domestic violence by men against women. - that the big issue violence is probably domestic violence by men against women and girls. Cairoscene is usually more serious. There story is a disgrace.Really Hafiz! The article also ignores FGM, child marriages, human trafficking and many other issues....the story is SPECIFIC to one issue. I'm sure you can find articles on violence by men against women.....they are everywhere.

Keefy may put the article forward as a crazy absurdity (it was :D ) - the reality is probably that it is a lie and that there is widespread violence against women and girls and that this happens as a matter of course because men think they have higher rights.

Everything we know in the west in the last two decades is that if you are a woman, and to want to get killed, raped or bashed, its going to happen in your home. Not on the street and not from a stranger. The person who kills or bashes you is going to be the person you love. In many cases he will get off. Maybe Egypt is different - I doubt it - the only difference in Egypt is likely to be the reporting and the usually excellent Cairoscene and its uppereclass liberal supporters do no-one any good by putting forward the bull that women bash men in the home. I'm sure they do ( so it's not "bull" then ) but that is not the bigger issue. Shame on them. They disgrace themselves and their country.Hello??

So - there is another - but sad - story that huge amounts of Western money in the past few decades have gone into Egypt NGO'S and other places to improve the status of women. I think its probably all failed and the rates of FGM would be good evidence of this. The numbers of upperclass female Ministers is a deception. The Westerners have failed but I don't see much of domestic feminist activity to say that such crazy news articles miss the big issue. The local feminists aren't interested in the poor let alone domestic violence. They all have good US liberal masters and doctorates that are looking for a job. Its a specific comment on the harsh, cynical nature of the Egyptian upper classes and whether they really have answers for everyday Egyptian problems. They don't and the Cairoscene iarticle s superb and clear evidence of this. As if anyone with any sense and education thinks that female violence against men in Egypt is a real issue!I read it as a. slightly humerous, inconsequential aside....not as an earth-shattering expose of a serious societal flaw. I find Cairo Scene an interesting, at times frothy, commentary on a world which is, let's face it, far away from that in which the average Egyptian lives. It needs to be taken in that context.

Who would want to be a woman in Egypt? If you were rich it could be ok but otherwise awful. And - you read Cairosecene and 'realize' that your problem is that women bash men. Really! What an appalling story for them to run.Getting a bit repetitive now....rant nearly over?

I read Cairoscene a lot. In the future I will read it as my intellect has always told me to read it. Elite Cairo opinion which disparages all others, has a cringing acceptance of Western opinion and is not part of the solution in Egypt. Its a lot like elite iberal democratic opinion in Egypt. It doesn't understand how serious the problems are.A rather sweeping judgement based on , in my view, completely misinterpreting the point of the article.
After reading your rant I had to re-read the Cairo scene article and,I found, it does no more, nor less than it purports to do i.e. comparing Egyptian women with their foreign sisters in the matter of violence against their husbands. It actually makes some reference to male violence being a much more serious issue :

"While some men do experience violence and we do not condone any form of abuse against them, it is still critical to keep in mind that Egyptian women are more prone to experiencing physical violence in different forms; this includes domestic, public, verbal, physical and gender-based sexual violence. In 2013, Amnesty International's study in Egypt showed 47% women have experienced domestic violence. Luckily, there are many centres and organisations tackling gender-based violence in Egypt, and working towards eradicating the phenomena and treating the victims

As I say....you can find plenty of articles expanding on this.


I can a only assume you were suffering from painful toothache, and having just had your wallet nicked then slipped on some dog poo, ruining your suit...to put you in such a foul mood :lol:

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Newcastle - you could be half right - or more - you usually are.

Foul mood? - Always on any day ending with a y. :D

It maybe a rant but is it wrong.

My long point, reduced to a few words, is that the original article was silly and missed the big issue.

I disagree with you that male violence against women is given notice in Egypt. You say 'plenty of articles expanding on this" - I say most/all of them are western.

I know from personal experience that the demands of the sea and beach are large :) but you may have spare time to prove me wrong. :sd For example are there any Egyptian stats about violence and killing in the home. Does Egypt keep male/female murder stats? And the 'killer '- has Cairoscene ever had an article on male violence against women? We both know it has had an article on how women bash men and its casual reference to the opposite but has it ever faced the main issue? If not, why not - in your opinion. To anticipate your research. The Egyptian crime/violence stats are very low - except for the past few years. I would argue that, consistent with most traditional societies, there is underreporting of domestic "issues".

I note that ST approves of this post. She must have a short memory about me and, I now fear, I am spouting foolishness. :lol: If so I hope others will tell me.

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No. no. Hafiz my friend....not at all foolish. I didn't intend to imply that the issue is well covered IN Egypt.

You're spot on with regard to Egyptian coverage of violence against women...or societal issues generally. I was referring to articles which are, as you surmise, the product of western orientated, if not actually funded authorship....or the many critiques of Egypt you can find in the foreign press.

Of course there may be serious discussion of this issue in Arabic sources...a closed book to me....but somehow I doubt it. If GD can leap in with an outraged rebuttal I'd be only too pleased.

"Women's rights" does not translate well, if at all, in this part of the world. But I will take up the challenge and see if I can find anything in a more serious vein from Cairoscene or its ilk ( probably a waste of time :) ) Here's one....haven't read it yet though.
http://www.cairoscene.com/In-Depth/Say- ... eir-Rights

ST's "like"?.....she must have thought you were attacking me ( or she fell asleep over the keyboard) :lol:

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ST - sleeping on her keyboard is the least of her worries. :oops:

You should read your own article cites. Its a puff piece but positive. Worth reading.

You posted a few weeks ago an article that Egyptians needed to apply the law. If only life was so simple. The article was a naive liberal approach to the problems of Egypt and the one you now cite is a bit the same. They both ignore that the law is a complex system of complaint and investigation (random) followed, if ever, by prosecution and, always, delayed, decision. Both articles ignore how hard it is to make and sustain a complaint. For example will women report violence if there are no female police? If there are no female judges what does that mean for female complainants? Do there need to be specialist legal 'aid' services to support women. Lest we feel too superior we have only recently learnt in the West that lots of specialist things need to be done to the police, legal and judicial system to ensure that women get justice and the protection of law.

The earlier article you posted put a standard Cairo view that the law needed to be applied more effectively to maintain order. Really! The other bit that decades of authoritarian government have forgotten is that the law is the protection of the weak against the powerful. Not that any courts or police in Egypt see it this way after generations of state dominance over the individual. I didn't post at the time of the earlier article because it would have been a long winded rant. Maybe these cooler brief comments give you a view on why I have so little time for the al Ahram view, and that of the liberal democrats, that Egypt needs more state control and compliance of the individual to the state.

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When I post articles Hafiz, i often do so without any preamble or comment.

Often they are to get a discussion going on topic....sometimes it's just laziness and I haven't digested the contents.

Any views I have usually appear in subsequent discussion. Often , the comments of others help crystalise my own thoughts.

I've mentioned before the constraints those of us living in Egypt face, theoretically if not in reality.

There is so much "wrong" with society here (in comparison to the far-from-perfect West) that any comments either sound like an incoherent rant or as totally insipid, meaningless waffle. If there's a middle ground, it's hard to find.

What is available in the local press is totally censored or biased. That's the reality of Egypt today...and for as far back as you'd care to look.

You touched on one subject - the law - acutely visible in the area of personal freedom; virtually absent when in comes to civil matters; unintelligible to all and administered by.....well.... I 'll leave that to your imagination.

Does it depress me? A bit. Does it infuriate me? Frequently! Do I think it will change? Not in a generation. What can I do? Nothing.

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