has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjecture

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Frater0082 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Only time will tell these ancient secrets ;)



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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Who2 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:05 pm

One of my favourites….. :cool:
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Aromagician » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:39 am

Time, money and dna hopefully.
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Andrew Earl Singer » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:53 pm

If the identity of Queen Nefertiti could be made, that would put many of the pieces of the Amarna Dynasty in their proper place
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Post by Frater0082 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:03 pm

Yes they need to find Meketaten's body

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Aromagician » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:46 am

Why do you say that?
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Frater0082 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Because it would help alot's in solvong the dna results

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Kaiserbernese » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:35 pm

According to Dr Stephen Buckley, it is impossible to obtain reliable DNA from a mummy due to the resins used in the mummification process.

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Frater0082 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:11 pm

I but they managed to do it before

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Kaiserbernese » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:56 pm

No they haven't.

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Aromagician » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 am

Course they have and can.

They can get dna from spit rubbed from a cheek.

Technology is so advanced these days. They often use teeth or hair.
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Kaiserbernese » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:04 pm

We're talking about mummies here.

I personally would not want to disagree one of, if not THE, world's leading expert in this field. I have heard Dr Buckley emphasise on more than one occasion that DNA cannot be obtained from mummies.

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by newcastle » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:45 pm

Kaiserbernese wrote:We're talking about mummies here.

I personally would not want to disagree one of, if not THE, world's leading expert in this field. I have heard Dr Buckley emphasise on more than one occasion that DNA cannot be obtained from mummies.
With respect, I think you are overstating Dr. Buckley's views. The DNA sequencing results of the 2011 investigation of the royal mummies was not fabricated. It is now thought that the 18th Dynasty mummies may have been subjected to a natron bath (rather than dry mummification which would have destroyed the DNA) and whilst the results should not be taken as conclusive (DNA can be corrupted) it is certainly possible to obtain DNA from mummies.

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Kaiserbernese » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:54 pm

In that case we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Bullet Magnet » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:57 pm

Even so with available DNA or not,
you have to take into account "Half Life", which is dependent upon time and environmental conditions.
521 years per half life is the current standard.

Many half lifes will have past, so the first half life will have split several times by now.

Even in forensics', DNA enhancement is not a reliable science, and no longer is allowed to be submitted as evidence in a court.
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Post by Aromagician » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:33 am

What about this then
Sima de los Huesos, a cave in northern Spain, contains one of the largest collections of hominin fossils ever discovered. Now, this so-called “pit of bones” has also yielded the oldest hominin DNA ever sequenced.

Using a thigh bone from the cave, Matthias Meyer from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology has sequenced the almost complete mitochondrial genome of one of Sima de los Huesos’ inhabitants, who likely lived around 400,000 years ago. That is at least four times older than the previous record-holder—a small 100,000-year-old stretch of Neanderthal DNA.

Apparently Dna is more easily obtained from bones and teeth
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