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The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by newcastle » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:45 am

Despite - or arguably as a result of - the upheavals in Egypt over the last 4 years there have been a number on new discoveries demonstrating yet again that much of pharaonic history lies under the sands awaiting future explorers.

A potentially staggering find would be the intact burial of Nefertiti and Nicolas Reeves has an idea that it might lie in sealed annexes within KV62, the tomb of Tutankhamun. His analysis is given in detail in the Academia paper referred to below. Initial reaction from fellow egyptologists is mixed - no surprise there - but it certainly looks worth pursuing. Presumably ground penetrating radar would soon establish the presence of hidden chambers....with little interference to the tomb or much in the way of cost.

https://www.academia.edu/14406398/The_B ... rtiti_2015_



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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Bullet Magnet » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:55 am

Interesting stuff...
"Buried near Tut's tomb in a place where no one would think of looking for it"... :cg

A Familiar story, like one of those runaround stories they gave the frustrated Ancient Greeks when they were up north..
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Who2 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:31 pm

I have a 'map with an X marks the spot of Nefertiti's Tomb, available for all would be archaeologists, the map costs the individual only the paltry some of £5.00 but the accompanying shovels are £2000.00 each.... :cool:
Ps: small print. No maps are offered without at least 1 shovel included.
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Frater0082 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:34 pm

Bullet Magnet wrote:Interesting stuff...
"Buried near Tut's tomb in a place where no one would think of looking for it"... :cg

A Familiar story, like one of those runaround stories they gave the frustrated Ancient Greeks when they were up north..
Dorothy Eady said that

:lol: they already found her they are overlooking to many of the small details that are dead in their faces. I missed you guys by the way. :D :D

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by A-Four » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:43 pm

Well Frater, we've miss you too, but as you might have notice on other parts of this forum, some of us recently have not been getting on very well, though everything is hunk-dory,.....sorry I keep forgetting you are American,.......well fine now, and every one is playing nicely in the 'garden', though the 'house' may still be burning.

As you can see Newcastle here has set us a bit of a problem, and during the past couple of days he's encouraged me to get out a few of the old books, and a couple of the, shall we say non sensationalist modern books, which I must admit I have not done for some time,......quite busy at the moment.

Anyhow, I hope to come up with my version of events on this topic by Sunday evening, ready for it to be smashed to pieces by Newcastle on Monday morning, or even worse, if Kevin-in-Abydos comments, I could be blasted into next month, but on this part of this forum it's all done in good fun.

P.S. - in the meantime check out the death and burial of Mary Queen of Scots, during the reign of Elizabeth I of England,......might be useful.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Bullet Magnet » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:04 pm

That Yvonne Fletcher,.... :tk No wait she was a Policewoman murdered outside the Libyan Emabassy,
No, Joann ( presumably without the "e") Fletcher has her theory too Frater.. :up

http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/nefertiti.html

As Nefertiti's tomb was never completed and no mummy was ever found, the location of Nefertiti's body has long been a subject of curiosity and speculation.

On June 9, 2003, archaeologist Joann Fletcher, a specialist in ancient hair, from the University of York in England, announced that Nefertiti's mummy may have been one found in the famous cache of mummies in tomb KV35 in Egypt's Valley of the Kings. Ms. Fletcher led an expedition, funded by the Discovery Channel, that examined what is believed to have been Nefertiti's mummy. Furthermore, it suggests that Nefertiti was in fact the Pharaoh Smenkhkare.

The mummy that was examined by the team was discovered damaged in a way that suggested the body had been desecrated either at the time of death or shortly after. Mummification techniques, such as the use of embalming fluid and the presence of an intact brain suggest an eighteenth dynasty royal mummy. Among the most suggestive features are the age of the body, the presence of embedded nefer beads, the fact that the arm had been buried in the position reserved for pharaohs and had been snapped by the vandals back into a normal position, and a wig of a rare style worn by Nefertiti.

On June 12, 2003, Zahi Hawass, head of Egypt's Supreme Council for Antiquities dismissed the claim, citing insufficient evidence. The controversy rages on.

On August 30, 2003, Reuters quoted Dr. Hawass as saying, "I'm sure that this mummy is not a female." :br


So, where would you NOT Look in VoK if you were looking for her tomb ? :tk
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Bullet Magnet » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:13 pm

One final thing that may be of interest, but what if Nefertiti has been found, but no one actually realises that it is her ? . . . :tk
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Frater0082 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:07 pm

Bullet Magnet wrote:One final thing that may be of interest, but what if Nefertiti has been found, but no one actually realises that it is her ? . . . :tk
That's my whole point she was. She is the Younger Lady everyone just assume that she is not because when she is known as Nefertiti there is no attestation of he being styled a King's daughter. Which to me makes no sense to have seeming that the previous King was dead (Amenhotep III)

However, Nefertiti is truly attested a a King's daughter as Nebetah when that title was necessary (when the former king was alive) She changed her name to Neferneferuaten-Nefertiti at exactly the same time Amenhotep IV changed his name to AKhenaten.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Brian Yare » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:32 pm

newcastle wrote:Despite - or arguably as a result of - the upheavals in Egypt over the last 4 years there have been a number on new discoveries demonstrating yet again that much of pharaonic history lies under the sands awaiting future explorers.

A potentially staggering find would be the intact burial of Nefertiti and Nicolas Reeves has an idea that it might lie in sealed annexes within KV62, the tomb of Tutankhamun. His analysis is given in detail in the Academia paper referred to below. Initial reaction from fellow egyptologists is mixed - no surprise there - but it certainly looks worth pursuing. Presumably ground penetrating radar would soon establish the presence of hidden chambers....with little interference to the tomb or much in the way of cost.

https://www.academia.edu/14406398/The_B ... rtiti_2015_
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt.

And they would need to rebuild the replica tomb if new chambers were discovered!

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Bullet Magnet » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:03 am

in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King... :cool:
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by newcastle » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:17 am

Brian Yare wrote:
newcastle wrote:Despite - or arguably as a result of - the upheavals in Egypt over the last 4 years there have been a number on new discoveries demonstrating yet again that much of pharaonic history lies under the sands awaiting future explorers.

A potentially staggering find would be the intact burial of Nefertiti and Nicolas Reeves has an idea that it might lie in sealed annexes within KV62, the tomb of Tutankhamun. His analysis is given in detail in the Academia paper referred to below. Initial reaction from fellow egyptologists is mixed - no surprise there - but it certainly looks worth pursuing. Presumably ground penetrating radar would soon establish the presence of hidden chambers....with little interference to the tomb or much in the way of cost.

https://www.academia.edu/14406398/The_B ... rtiti_2015_
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt.

And they would need to rebuild the replica tomb if new chambers were discovered!
Persona non gratis? Well then he's gone up in my estimation. Nicholas is a pretty accomplished egyptologist.

If his idea turns out to be correct Egypt would have more than enough money to rebuild the replica tomb. They could think in terms of a new capital.

Oh ! ...they already have...well something else then...

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Frater0082 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:16 am

I wish I could talk to someone about my story :cry: I wish I could be there In Egypt.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by A-Four » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:20 pm

Brian Yare wrote:
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt!
Nick Reeves will arrive in Luxor in mid September, with visa in hand and permission granted to make a careful study of Tut tomb, with regards his ideas.

Seems people have been giving out bad rumours even on old Nick while he's been away.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Who2 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:24 pm

I'll pop out under cover of darkness and check it out before he arrives..... :cool:
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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by newcastle » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:28 pm

A-Four wrote:
Brian Yare wrote:
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt!
Nick Reeves will arrive in Luxor in mid September, with visa in hand and permission granted to make a careful study of Tut tomb, with regards his ideas.

Seems people have been giving out bad rumours even on old Nick while he's been away.
You beat me to it A-Four :up

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by A-Four » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:58 pm

Who2 wrote:I'll pop out under cover of darkness and check it out before he arrives..... :cool:
It probably would be wiser for you, my dear doctor, to excavate an area within the cove around WV 22, some 400 paces towards the west of that tomb. The area where in ancient times huge boulders fell, or forced to fall. A rather large crane might come in useful,.................but please, no dynamite. :wi .

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Bearded Brian » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:25 pm

If it is there then the man in the hat will say it was his theory that it was there and claim credit for the discovery - then write a book about it.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by newcastle » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:32 pm

Bearded Brian wrote:If it is there then the man in the hat will say it was his theory that it was there and claim credit for the discovery - then write a book about it.
He's already gone to print saying the idea is nonsense (based on his own expertise) so if Nicholas is right he'll have to eat that hat.

On past experience he'll do it with aplomb. His previous boobs are too numerous to list but he has chutzpah in bucketloads.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Brian Yare » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:57 am

A-Four wrote:
Brian Yare wrote:
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt!
Nick Reeves will arrive in Luxor in mid September, with visa in hand and permission granted to make a careful study of Tut tomb, with regards his ideas.

Seems people have been giving out bad rumours even on old Nick while he's been away.
Things have obviously changed since the man with the hat ruled the roost. Good luck to Nick.

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Re: The burial of Nefertiti ?

Post by Frater0082 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:49 pm

A-Four wrote:
Brian Yare wrote:
Yes, but Nicolas Reeves is "Persona non Gratis" in Egypt!
Nick Reeves will arrive in Luxor in mid September, with visa in hand and permission granted to make a careful study of Tut tomb, with regards his ideas.

Seems people have been giving out bad rumours even on old Nick while he's been away.

I had a feeling something would occur in the mid fall, i was told this in a vision. hmmm.

I took a lot of time thinking about this whole Nefertiti lost tomb thing and i reached to my conclusion on this. Judging from the circumstances I do sort of believe that she could have been reburied there but was later removed due to the Amarna haters and the Tomb robbers. One has to ask these questions

1) Where at first was the Younger Lady buried
2) Did she had her own tomb before the reburial?

It make since that Tutankhamen had all of his relatives moved from Amarna, then secretly hid their bodies again around the valley of the kings so that they wouldn't be disturbed by those who hated the Amarna Period. But, he did not move Akhenaten for some strange reasons. Any how it makes sense why Ay(or possibly Queen Ankhesenamun) chose this part of the tomb, it was already a perfect hiding space for him and especially Nefertiti, she was very sneaky and secretive at times which worked to her advantage.

I still believe that there is another way to get into this tomb without disturbing the resting place of Tutankhamen.

But this season coming I feel will be a good time for this subject I know it.

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