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Large void detected in Khufu's pyramid

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'Big void' identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

The mysteries of the pyramids have deepened with the discovery of what appears to be a giant void within the Khufu, or Cheops, monument in Egypt.

It is not known why the cavity exists or indeed if it holds anything of value because it is not obviously accessible.Japanese and French scientists made the announcement after two years of study at the famous pyramid complex.They have been using a technique called muography, which can sense density changes inside large rock structures.

The Great Pyramid, or Khufu's Pyramid, was constructed during the reign of Pharaoh Khufu between 2509 and 2483 BC.
At 140m (460 feet) in height, it is the largest of the Egyptian pyramids located at Giza on the outskirts of Cairo.

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ScanPyramids has already detected a smaller void on the northern face.The new cavity is perhaps 30m long and several metres in height. All three muon technologies sense the same feature in the same place.

Khufu famously contains three large interior chambers and a series of passageways, the most striking of which is the 47m-long, 8m-high Grand Gallery. The newly identified feature is said to sit directly above this and have similar dimensions.
"We don't know whether this big void is horizontal or inclined; we don't know if this void is made by one structure or several successive structures," explained Mehdi Tayoubi from the HIP Institute, Paris. "What we are sure about is that this big void is there; that it is impressive; and that it was not expected as far as I know by any sort of theory."

The newly found void is directly above the Grand Gallery. The ScanPyramids team is being very careful not to describe the cavity as a "chamber". Khufu contains compartments that experts believe may have been incorporated by the builders to avoid collapse by relieving some of the stress of the overlying weight of stone. The higher King's Chamber, for example, has five such spaces above it.

The renowned American archaeologist Mark Lehner sits on a panel reviewing ScanPyramids' work. He says the muon science is sound but he is not yet convinced the discovery has significance. "It could be a kind of space that the builders left to protect the very narrow roof of the grand gallery from the weight of the pyramid," he told the BBC's Science In Action programme. "Right now it's just a big difference; it's an anomaly. But we need more of a focus on it especially in a day and age when we can no longer go blasting our way through the pyramid with gunpowder as [British] Egyptologist Howard Vyse did in the early 1800s."

The muon detectors have to be placed under the region of interest. One of the team leaders, Hany Helal from Cairo University, believes the void is too big to have a pressure-relieving purpose, but concedes the experts will debate this. "What we are doing is trying to understand the internal structure of the pyramids and how this pyramid has been built," he told reporters. "Famous Egyptologists, archaeologists and architects - they have some hypotheses. And what we are doing is giving them data. It is they who have to tell us whether this is expected or not."

Much of the uncertainty comes down to the rather imprecise data gained from muography. This non-invasive technique has been developed over the past 50 years to probe the interiors of phenomena as diverse as volcanoes and glaciers. It has even been used to investigate the failed nuclear reactors at Fukushima. Muography makes use of the shower of high-energy particles that rain down on the Earth's surface from space. When super-fast cosmic rays collide with air molecules, they produce a range of "daughter" particles, including muons. These also move close to the speed of light and only weakly interact with matter. So when they reach the surface, they penetrate deeply into rock. But some of the particles will be absorbed and deflected by the atoms in the rock's minerals, and if the muon detectors are placed under a region of interest then a picture of density anomalies can be obtained.

It is for the experts to debate the significance of the finding.

The ScanPyramids team used three different muography technologies and all three agreed on the position and scale of the void.
Sébastien Procureur, from CEA-IRFU, University of Paris-Saclay, emphasised that muography only sees large features, and that the team's scans were not just picking up a general porosity inside the pyramid. "With muons you measure an integrated density," he explained. "So, if there are holes everywhere then the integrated density will be the same, more or less, in all directions, because everything will be averaged. But if you see some excess of muons, it means that you have a bigger void. "You don't get that in a Swiss cheese."

The question now arises as to how the void should be investigated further.

Jean-Baptiste Mouret, from the French national institute for computer science and applied mathematics (Inria), said the team had an idea how to do it, but that the Egyptian authorities would first have to approve it. "Our concept is to drill a very small hole to potentially explore monuments like this. We aim to have a robot that could fit in a 3cm hole. Basically, we're working on flying robots," he said.



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Re: Giant void discovered in the Great Pyramid

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Admin Edit: This post was merged into this topic from a topic on the same subject.
FarleyFlavors wrote:The mysteries of the pyramids have deepened with the discovery of what appears to be a giant void within the Khufu, or Cheops, monument in Egypt.

It is not known why the cavity exists or indeed if it holds anything of value because it is not obviously accessible.

Japanese and French scientists made the announcement after two years of study at the famous pyramid complex.

They have been using a technique called muography, which can sense density changes inside large rock structures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41845445
Is it the ghost room by any chance ? if so there will be 'nothing' there.
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Re: Large void detected in Khufu's pyramid

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By coincidence I watched a short program on Netflix only last week pontificating about the construction of the Great Pyramid. As usual the various ‘ramp’ theories were put forward, but one in particular made quite a lot of sense and Bob Brier was quite interested in exploring the theory and even climbed up to a visible notch on one sloping corner intersection to see what was there. The guy proposing the theory was not an Egyptologist but an architect and his theory involved a ramp up to the level of the Kings Chamber to facilitate the lower construction. After that he demonstrated a very workable internal ramp at about 7 degrees with a simple lift and rotate device at the corners for the blocks. Something else that seemed very logical and that was that they constructed the outer limestone cladding first and then a sandstone block layer immediately behind that made of well cut stone, the remaining area was filled in quite quickly with lesser quality cut blocks.

This gave a level surface for the next outer limestone layer with backing stones to be put into place and again the enclosed area filled in, as he pointed out it was really the only way you could ensure that the sides went up at the correct angle and a twist was not built into the sides as each successive layer would be checked against the one beneath it, so basically the cladding was not put on last but was part of the initial construction technique. He maintains that there would be a squared (if looking in plan view) shape spiralling void within the pyramid where the ramp existed, this also seemed to be confirmed by an interview with some Japanese guys who had printouts showing a similar pattern from some sort of scanning that they had done many years ago, but at the time meant it nothing to them.

Another curious thing that the guy pointed out and I do not think it was an optical illusion, but as he pointed to the pyramid on one side (I think it was the boat museum side) and you could see two sort of ghost outlines in the blocks that ran from one corner to the opposite side and at an angle approximating the 7 degrees of the theoretical internal ramp, all in all it was very convincing.
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