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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:31 pm  |  Posted from: Egypt
  

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With the commencement of the move of the American Embassy to Jerusalem...on the eve of the Nakba commemoration would you believe...there is the predicted protests on the Israel-Gaza border.

40 plus Palestinians already dead as they confront armed Israeli forces with stones. A replay of the David/Goliath fight....with a result more in line with reality than the biblical myth.

Mahmoud Abbas famously admitted the Arabs made a terrible mistake in rejecting, back in 1947, the UN General Assembly Resolution 181, which paved the way for Jewish statehood in parts of then British-ruled Palestine. Back in 2011 Abbas said: “I know, I know. It was our mistake. It was our mistake. It was an Arab mistake as a whole."

And the rest is history.

I'm reminded of the epitaph on the grave of Jonathan Gray :

"Here lies the body of Jonathan Gray

Who died maintaining his right of way.

He was right -- clear right -- as he sped along.

But he's just as dead as if he were wrong."

With the most powerful nation in the Middle East, backed by the most powerful nation in the world, intent on maintaining - by force majeure - territory it has annexed, and with the rest of the world, including the Arabs, indifferent, maybe it's time for the Palestinians to accept defeat before they are wiped from what little territory remains available to them.


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Its a shame really, I can understand the wrath of the Palestinians, though after all a good majority of the warmongering in the Middle East is down to Israel. Now they are backed by a one horse pony, DJT, who is hell bent on firing the first salvo and then standing back and letting the rest of the World putting a Band Aid on it all. If you look at the first 16 months of DJT rule all he has done is created upset around the World with his bombastic, none statesmanship rule. He is now isolating the US, and dividing it unmercifully. But not to worry too much the Primaries in the US are nearly upon us and he may have to change his attitude. Israel was not a really good idea when it was formed in the first place, putting Zionist's and Arab faiths together, a hot pot of turmoil. Now Israel knowing that DJT will always back them will seek further domination in the area, creating a bubbling pot of mistrust and will become a cauldron of evil. Their leader is also hell bent on getting his own way. I hope that Europe stand back from the future of this one ans say "you created the problem to DJT, now get on with it" This moronic character really needs bringing down a peg or two.....


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The triumphalism displayed by Netanyahu and Trump's daughter and son-in law at yesterday's inauguration of the American Embassy in Jerusalem was one of the most nauseating sights I've ever witnessed

The fact that Palestinians were being simultaneously slaughtered on the Gaza border makes it all the more appalling.

What this contributes to world peace - for which Trump thinks he deserves a Nobel Prize - is anyone's guess.

If there was a prize for throwing fuel on a fire....maybe.

The rest of the world - certainly world governments - should hang their heads in shame at their complicity in the naked expansionism of Israel's Zionist regime. Weasel words of condemnation, in private, are simply not enough. Good on the South Afican's for recalling their ambassador....but then they know a thing or two about apartheid.

That Palestine's Arab neighbours are also complicit comes as no surprise...another example of dictators looking after their own interests.

The furore on the Arab streets. however. is tangible......and the legacy of hatred, to which this latest move has contributed, will only push further away the day when peace comes to the Middle East.


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You seem to forget God gave it to them!
Although they have no written contract The Word of God should suffice...
Who needs lawyers ? Mind you the best Lawyers always seem to be Jewish....
Ps: I'm not antiseptic [sic] saying that, just a realist.... 8)
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Just remembered God wrote the 10th Commandment didn't he ?

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods.”

The Tenth Commandment forbids the wanting to or taking someone else’s property. Along with the Seventh Commandment, this commandment condemns theft and the feelings of envy, greed, and jealousy in reaction to what other people have.

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Who2 wrote:
You seem to forget God gave it to them!
Although they have no written contract The Word of God should suffice...
Who needs lawyers ? Mind you the best Lawyers always seem to be Jewish....
Ps: I'm not antiseptic [sic] saying that, just a realist.... 8)
Pss: Is Trump a 4x2 ?
Just remembered God wrote the 10th Commandment didn't he ?

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.”

The Tenth Commandment forbids the wanting to or taking someone else’s property. Along with the Seventh Commandment, this commandment condemns theft and the feelings of envy, greed, and jealousy in reaction to what other people have.


The Jews have a selective memory :lol:

God also told Noah, “Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth” (Genesis 7:2–3, ESV)

No doubt that explains the contents of Tel Aviv zoo.

P.S
Genesis 5:32-10:1 New International Version (NIV)
After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

I wonder how he spent those first 500 years :ni: Explains why Jews don't eat ham :urm:


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I beg to differ...There is a kibbutz Lahav that have laods of pigs and have done for years.
More bacon for us 'goy's..... 8)
I quote:
"And even though most kibbutzniks no longer “work in the pigs,” the porcine influence on the kibbutz is nearly impossible to miss. Ten thousand-plus pigs howl throughout the night, along with the desert jackals. There’s a dreaded western wind here that brings with it the inescapable and potent scent of industrial hog waste that cannot possibly be ignored. In the dining room there is almost always a pork option. The kibbutzniks find no need for the silly euphemisms used by greater Israeli society, like “white meat” and “white steak.” Pork, or at least the right to raise it, serve it and eat it, is no doubt a point of pride at Lahav today. 'I rest my case for all bacon eaters....

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In 1963, Lahav established the Institute for Animal Research with guidance from leading scientists from the Hebrew University's Faculty of Agriculture, which is the only research facility in Israel specializing in raising pigs. According to a 1963 law, pigs can be legally raised in kibbutzim (or more generally on land leased from the state) only for research purposes, but meat from surplus animals may be sold. While all other kibbutzim abandoned pig farming to comply with the 1963 law, Lahav transferred its pig farm to its new organization, the Institute for Animal Research, which continues to supply Lahav's meat processing factory with surplus pigs. Lahav's pork and other meat products are nationally marketed in non-kosher food stores all over Israel, and the Lahav brand is a major competitor to non-kosher meat products of Mizra. However, the production of pig meat has raised criticism, as Israel is a Jewish state

Mmmm.....

A bit like the Japanese hunting endangered whales "for research purposes" :lol:


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The problems in Gaza are difficult to work out but what is interesting is that the current Wild West surges and killings are occurring exclusively with Hamas territory (that is Iranian) and not within the West Bank Fatah/Palestinian Authority who take the Jerusalem/Embassy issue in their stride.

That the Western Press confuses the issue and gives the impression of universal Palestinian opposition tells you all you need to know about the current wretched generation of Middle East journalists.

Here is a recent article on the matter by a specialist who has served 4 Presidents, knows conditions on the ground and knew many of the players. Its a deal more than the quick scribbles of a western journalist sent in for a week or two or some 'expert' in London or Washington. Key points in the horror story are:

1. Getting supplies into Gaza is possible – via Israel – but the Egypt border is closed for all essentials. (i think its been 'opened' in the last few days but the rules and hours are typically unclear - maybe its just a standard Egyptian press release).

2. The Palestinians have lived off international aid for 3 generations – mostly from the US – Arab countries contribute little and Egypt nothing. As there are no Egyptian NGO’s they do nothing in this area or any other area. The Egyptian Red Cresent has done nothing in Gaza and generally does nothing unless the EU gives it large amounts of cash.

3. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 it left several thousand green houses for the Gazan’s to use – these were looted and destroyed by Gazans/Hamas.

4. ‘that Palestinians had never been able to control their own destiny — the Arabs determined what would be done in 1948. Yasser Arafat told me at the Camp David summit in the northern summer of 2000 that he had wanted to go to the original Camp David in 1978 but the Soviets and Syrians had prevented him.’

5. ‘The ceasefire that ended the conflict in 2014 has largely held, but reconstruction needs remain profound, with the electrical power infrastructure far too limited and at least a third of the housing destroyed not yet rebuilt. And with all these needs, Hamas continued to divert construction materials to building tunnels for Hamas fighters hoping to penetrate Israel.’

6. ‘Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority, decided early this year first not to pay Israel for provision of electricity to Gaza and then, in March, to cut salaries to former Fatah employees there — two moves that dramatically worsen the conditions in Gaza.’

7. ‘reconciliation, however, foundered on Abbas’s demand that Hamas give up its militias and its weapons, saying he could not accept a Hezbollah model for Gaza where the PA had civil ¬responsibility while Hamas retained ultimate leverage because of its arms. To make matters worse, when there was an ¬assassination attempt in Gaza against Rami Hamdallah, the Prime Minister of the PA, Abbas threatened to cut off more money.’

At this stage its clear that the Palestinians are fighting amongst themselves/hate each other just as they have for the past 50 years and that the idea of a single unified Palestinian State with a single capital is a complete joke – by the way the head of the Palestinian authority is 82 or 83 years of age and his mental abilities, which were never good, are in a twilight.

8. ‘Gaza needs a serious influx of funds, not further cuts. The conditions there are truly awful. There is roughly four hours a day of electricity; 96 per cent of the water is undrinkable; there isn’t power to run the sewage treatment plants; the overall unemployment rate is 44 per cent, and, in the 15-29 age group it is 60 per cent.’

9. ‘Hamas’s leaders are seeking to achieve several objectives. First, within Gaza, to divert the public’s attention away from Hamas’s domestic failures. Second, to put countervailing pressure on Abbas, because he cannot be indifferent as Palestinians die at the hands of Israelis. Third, to make Hamas the centrepiece of the Palestinian movement. Fourth, to stigmatise Israel before the world as a way of also weakening Israel’s ability to engage in self-defence and discredit it internationally. And, fifth, to put the Palestinian issue back in the region’s and the world’s consciousness.’

10. There is also hard evidence than Hamas lied about the practical situation to the rioting kids encouraging them to assault the Israeli border and be killed.

11. On one day a few days ago there were 40,000 rioting kids facing the Israeli troops – the next day 4,000 which implies that Hamas has less mass support than thought and enough to make it worry about its loss of power and money.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/i ... 55d2fa663e

Hamas and the Palestinians have not a friend in the world (except for insolvent Syria and renegade Iran – maybe also North Korea and Sawiris (and his Syrian cell phone system https://www.haaretz.com/1.5160497 and as his major investor in 2001 when ORASCOM was near insolvent – Arafat https://www.ft.com/content/1b870488-794 ... 000e2511c8 on the complete corruption of the Palestinian leadership) – probably because their leaders are corrupt, brutal, proclaim the need to obliterate Israel and are irrational. Time for them to do a deal with Israel – they have lost the war largely through their own mismanagement, appalling treatment of their own people and alienating all their ‘friends’. Even Turkey now stays away from the Palestinian chaos and uncontrollable violence.

I agree strongly that the problems of the average Palestinian are sad beyond words, that they have got no justice but a bit part of their problems are mad, incompetent, self-obsessed and corrupt leaders - like a lot of other poor and oppressed people in the region have had for 3 generations.


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