Clarity - Orfi (Civil marriage) for newbies

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Re: Clarity - Orfi (Civil marriage) for newbies

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Dusak-It's clear my comment was completely misunderstood by you. Re-read it, slowly, and think about the lack of logic of what you are saying.



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The men Dusak the men.

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My understanding was that women+orfi=prostitute. Even if you changed the meaning to men+orfi=prostitute still casts a black cloud on anyone partaking in this useless bit of parer work. Some I know are blissfully happy with their Egyptian partner and I do not think that they would welcome the analogy. But that's just the way I see it.
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Dusak wrote:My understanding was that women+orfi=prostitute. Even if you changed the meaning to men+orfi=prostitute still casts a black cloud on anyone partaking in this useless bit of parer work. Some I know are blissfully happy with their Egyptian partner and I do not think that they would welcome the analogy. But that's just the way I see it.

It happens all over the world by all mixes of couples, the fact you need a piece of paper to stay the night, week, years with someone in Egypt is a bit harsh to call people prostitute D!

There are tourists who walk into a restaurant and ask the maître de for a couple of guys for their holiday, which are duly produced along with the paper, and are happy to pay. But suspect that is not the norm for those residing in Egypt.

So your theory would be the paper itself demeans the relationship down to a professional standing.
It is what it is.

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Well let's be honest here, 'there is no fool like an old fool' and as said by egyptian men 'old is gold.... :cool:
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woman-money=man+money=prostitute-woman

man+woman+contract=marriage

Not something they taught in primary school, but the equations should be understood by all that attended.

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Glyphdoctor wrote:woman-money=man+money=prostitute-woman

man+woman+contract=marriage

Not something they taught in primary school, but the equations should be understood by all that attended.
No, still have to disagree. There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting sex, its the most natural thing in the world. She may just want to feel wanted on a more intimate level than what is possible to experience in her own country. She may be completely removed from having the chance of receiving that small recognition of love within her own environment. If this paper is the only way she can get a legitimate release of pent up frustrations, then so be it. But to brand her a prostitute, or the male counterpart the same is wrong. He is entering into a business deal, supplying the product, she is showing her willingness to pay, but not always the case, her thanks by paying him some money or supplying goods to a value that she deems acceptable.

Then you have the other one's, the sex hunters that not only corner the market in their own country, but go on the rampage in this one who's purse is as slack and forever open as the one she so desperately needs to fill. Sex is the most needed item in their lives, may it be due to age that most objects would be considered an antique or be of such an appearance that gender or true species would be brought into question. These are the ones that you could legitimately pin the tail of the donkey on, but not the former ones. And let us not forget, people do not have to adopt the 'X' to prostitute themselves, the term can be defined in many ways.
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I find it hard to understand why women would want to be violated by a loaded gun that has been fired off in so many different directions, and in so many different battles, the bullet chamber must really need a bloody good looking at for deformities and bacteria. Surely some of the women need to look at AIDing the situation. But there again most of them are at an age where they do not care, live today suffer tomorrow..... Let me just bend forward over my zimmer frame..... :lol: :lol:

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Dusak-No, you don't disagree with me. You disagree with the dictionary.

There's something called marriage too. Most people find it satisfactorily serves their needs. And it's actually legal and respected in the community you live in.

And you sound like you have drank the kool aid of the gigolos around you: "Completely removed from having the chance of receiving that small recognition of love within her own environment" is basically a very roundabout way of saying, "too ugly to find a man in her own country" but the sentiment is the same as their rather offensive explanation of why women get involved with men in Egypt.

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What worries me is. That this post has more views and posts than any other displayed, which says to me and anyone enquiring as to visiting this Country, rather than political disturbances have their minds once again on their lower base instinct & urges.
One would have thought that at the ages involved those individuals would by now have risen above their base instincts.
What sort of impression does any Egyptian male have of visitors from those Countries and what does it say about those Counties. It really is about time that people removed their lower brains from inside their knickers.. :cool:
Ps: As my mate used to say to his son, "If you think to much about cu** you become one"
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Time to stop worrying Who 2......"sex" has been at the forefront of the human mind since...well....since there were humans :lol:

As for what the average Egyptian male thinks of decadent skimpily-dressed foreign women....the term they use (certainly the younger males) is "bitches". Not nice, of course, but again nothing to worry about. Egypt ( along with the rest of the Arab world ) has one of the highest rates in the world of downloading porn so they have little justification in trying to adopt the moral high ground.

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So that's alright then is it ? rather than pointing the finger at the religious aspects of Arab countries or the base instincts of visiting tourists, no doubt with time, one will even be able to justify pedeophilia.... :cool:
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One always tries to find a way to justify what one does. That's probably the basest instinct of all.

However, justifications are a very personal matter and it is often best to just keep them inside one's own mind.

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Glyphdoctor wrote:Dusak-No, you don't disagree with me. You disagree with the dictionary.

There's something called marriage too. Most people find it satisfactorily serves their needs. And it's actually legal and respected in the community you live in.

And you sound like you have drank the kool aid of the gigolos around you: "Completely removed from having the chance of receiving that small recognition of love within her own environment" is basically a very roundabout way of saying, "too ugly to find a man in her own country" but the sentiment is the same as their rather offensive explanation of why women get involved with men in Egypt.
So are unmarried couples that choose not to get wed for financial reasons to name but one yet still are together many years from meeting each other. Marriage does not carry that much needed seal of approval as it once did. Time and opinions have moved forwards for the better. Girls are no longer ostracized from society as they once were due to getting pregnant out of wed lock. And I know it still creates problems for some in certain countries but not to the extent that it once did, with the possible exception of Ireland that still seems to be stuck in the peat bogs of the past. Casual sex for the tourist is not confined to this country either and I would think that its not even close to the midway point. The term sex tourism is too widely used to find fault with many that just want to include a little light relief to their normal humdrum existence at home while on holiday, then back to normality with no ties and you do not have to be one of natures misfits to become a part of that category. I just have plain ordinary people around me, so don't quite get the jab, unless it is said to point at a particular person you presume fits this terminology and is within my circle of friends. I do suppose though that for some that live behind steamed up windows for most of their lives and never come close to be even noticed, it could be frustrating watching others enjoy the fruits of life. You only get one chance at life so enjoy it while you can.
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Glyphdoctor wrote:Dusak-No, you don't disagree with me. You disagree with the dictionary.

There's something called marriage too. Most people find it satisfactorily serves their needs. And it's actually legal and respected in the community you live in.

And you sound like you have drank the kool aid of the gigolos around you: "Completely removed from having the chance of receiving that small recognition of love within her own environment" is basically a very roundabout way of saying, "too ugly to find a man in her own country" but the sentiment is the same as their rather offensive explanation of why women get involved with men in Egypt.
So are unmarried couples that choose not to get wed for financial reasons to name but one yet still are together many years from meeting each other. Marriage does not carry that much needed seal of approval as it once did. Time and opinions have moved forwards for the better. Girls are no longer ostracized from society as they once were due to getting pregnant out of wed lock. And I know it still creates problems for some in certain countries but not to the extent that it once did, with the possible exception of Ireland that still seems to be stuck in the peat bogs of the past. Casual sex for the tourist is not confined to this country either and I would think that its not even close to the midway point. The term sex tourism is too widely used to find fault with many that just want to include a little light relief to their normal humdrum existence at home while on holiday, then back to normality with no ties and you do not have to be one of natures misfits to become a part of that category. I just have plain ordinary people around me, so don't quite get the jab, unless it is said to point at a particular person you presume fits this terminology and is within my circle of friends. I do suppose though that for some that live behind steamed up windows for most of their lives and never come close to be even noticed, it could be frustrating watching others enjoy the fruits of life. You only get one chance at life so enjoy it while you can.
Life is your's to do with as you wish- do not let other's try to control it for you. Count Dusak- 1345.

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Glyphdoctor wrote:

There's something called marriage too. Most people find it satisfactorily serves their needs. And it's actually legal and respected in the community you live in.
Not quite correct....certainly as far as UK is concerned. Marriage as the norm for co-habitation has now dipped below the 50% mark. Of actual marriages 42% end in divorce.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :cg

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At the end of the day Luxor is for women, in the same way Bangkok is for men, the difference is Luxor is an Historic City full of history while Bangkok has not a lot else to offer. The trouble is, Will Luxor soon get tarred with the Bangkok tar brush? Lets hope not!!

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Chocolate Eclair wrote:At the end of the day Luxor is for women, in the same way Bangkok is for men, the difference is Luxor is an Historic City full of history while Bangkok has not a lot else to offer. The trouble is, Will Luxor soon get tarred with the Bangkok tar brush? Lets hope not!!
I don't think Luxor is at risk of becoming a mecca for women seeking romance or plain old sex. Think about it! As far as the availability of men is concerned you're looking at a largely impoverished population with an alien culture and, on top of that, a reputation for men prepared to ruthlessly exploit vulnerable females. Only a woman several sandwiches short of a picnic would positively choose Luxor for a potentially successful romantic liaison.

Unattached women go abroad for many reasons...adventure, change of scene etc.....but for those simply looking for sex then there are far better choices than the 'rough trade' available on the banks of the Nile. And if, for some reason, it must be Egypt, then Sharm or Hurghada has a better class of gigolo and a lot more places to find them! 8)

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newcastle wrote: I don't think Luxor is at risk of becoming a mecca for women seeking romance or plain old sex.
:o Isn't it already? :?

newcastle wrote: for those simply looking for sex then there are far better choices... Sharm or Hurghada has a better class of gigolo and a lot more places to find them! 8)
:o If only I had known! :doh:
newcastle wrote: Only a woman several sandwiches short of a picnic would positively choose Luxor for a potentially successful romantic liaison.
:jig: I'm only one sandwich short - I'm off to Hurghada.. :P

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