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Women join forces to fight back after being conned

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Women join forces to fight back after being conned by scheming foreign grooms.

Michelle Nawar, Kirsty Carmichael and Elaine Davison are part of a club of wives who say they were conned by men who disappeared once they had UK residency

They all married exotic younger men who promised eternal love – and were left alone, humiliated and out of pocket.

Now Michelle Nawar, Kirsty Carmichael and Elaine Davison are fighting back as part of a club of wives who say they were conned by scheming foreign grooms who disappear from their lives once they have UK residency.

They are battling not only unscrupulous men who prey on women like them, but also the stigma surrounding a situation they say could happen to anyone.

Michelle, 48, set up campaign group Stop UK Marriage Fraud after being taken in by an Egyptian man 10 years her junior.

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She said: “A lot of people think women who fall for these scams are just silly and naive, but that’s not true.

“We hear from teachers, managers and business owners who have ended up seriously out of pocket and had their hearts broken by these men.

“It can happen to anyone. Unless you’ve been in the same situation you can’t judge those involved.”

Michelle and other women exchange stories on her secret Facebook page, joined by invitation only. Some 260 women have signed up in the past 18 months, as well as 20 British men.

Victims are often left thousands of pounds poorer by the men but, because no law has been broken, there is not much they can do about it.

“It’s not unusual for the men to run up massive credit card bills because they know they’re going to vanish once they have full residency or a passport,” Michelle says.

“Then there’s the cost of bringing them to Britain in the first place. A fiancé visa costs around £1,000. Then you need to support them until they are allowed to work. It’s basically legal scamming.

“Once women put their husband’s names on shared documents there’s very little they or the police can do.”

The group is calling for new laws that would see the men prosecuted for fraud then thrown out of Britain.

Michelle claims the very system set up to stop immigration scams helps the tricksters get into Britain.

“Your partner can only stay in the UK for six months before you have to make the decision to marry him or let him go,” she says.

“The fact he isn’t allowed to work on a temporary visa also means you’re more likely to get married as you can’t afford to keep living on one wage.”

There are no official figures to reveal the extent of the problem. Some 530 people were linked to “sham” marriages from January to March last year, but most are thought to relate to weddings where both the bride and groom know the union is fake and money has changed hands.

Michelle says: “If a couple exchange money to get married illegally then the law comes down on them like a ton of bricks, so why are men conning woman allowed to walk away scot free?”

The women are now planning to demonstrate in their wedding dresses at Parliament for a change in the law.

Source and more stories: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life- ... ck-3149883


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She said: “A lot of people think women who fall for these scams are just silly and naive, but that’s not true.

“We hear from teachers, managers and business owners who have ended up seriously out of pocket and had their hearts broken by these men.

“It can happen to anyone. Unless you’ve been in the same situation you can’t judge those involved.”
But it DOESN'T happen to everyone. And a marriage between two people of the same nationality has a high possibility of ending in divorce too. Your marriages failed, move on. Maybe if they had some sort of life to begin with before the marriage, they wouldn't have gotten into it. But it shows how empty their lives are that they spend their time after it is over plotting revenge. Grow up and learn from the experience.
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But the groom looks so trustworthy!
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In 2013 Canada introduced NEW legislation re: Marriage Fraud. Lots of talk that unless you've been married for 2+ yrs the Canadian gov't is going to put you through MEGA hoops prior to allowing the spouse into the country.

I know this as there is an extended relative who has married a lady from Africa and is having a real hard time getting her and their child into Canada. Twenty+ yr age difference so - 'on the surface' it all looks rather "hmmmm?????" AND once she actually has the visa and CAN stay the question becomes "Will she?" Will she actually stay married to a guy 20+ yrs older than her and has she arrived on these shores because she truly loves him OR does she really just want to escape a really impoverished country in Africa? On the surface, "right now," it all looks kosher and "lovey dovey" but only time will tell what the real agenda is.

Maybe these women in the UK will be proposing somewhat similar legislation. Personally I think if the guy (or woman) is scamming with the intention to leave they'll also wait out the 2 years doing whatever it takes to get the official permit to stay. If you've already put in mega time to acquire the spouse and do all the paperwork and trips doing another 2 yrs shouldn't be that onerous IMO.

This is an excerpt from the NEW regulations:

Some people think marriage to a Canadian citizen will be their ticket to Canada.
It is a crime for a foreign national to marry a Canadian citizen or permanent resident only to gain entry to Canada. CIC is working to prevent these false marriages.

In many cases, sponsors and foreign applicants set up a “marriage of convenience.” This is a marriage or common-law relationship whose sole purpose is to let the sponsored spouse or partner immigrate to Canada.

CIC officers are trained to recognize real immigration applications. They know how to detect false marriages. They have many ways to spot marriage fraud, including:
•document checks,
•visits to people’s homes and
•interviews with both sponsors and applicants.

Canadian citizens or permanent residents who are in a marriage of convenience for immigration reasons may be charged with a crime.

New regulations
Marriage Fraud: New Consequences
Marriage Fraud: New Consequences video
Were you sponsored to come to Canada as a spouse or partner on or after October 25, 2012? If so, you must now live with your sponsor in a genuine relationship for two years from the day you get permanent residence status in Canada. This is a new rule.

As a spouse or partner being sponsored, this applies to you if:
•you have been in a relationship with your sponsor for two years or less,
•you have no children in common and
•Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) got your application on or after October 25, 2012.

Learn more about the new measure for spouses and partners.

Don’t become a victim of marriage fraud

Are you a Canadian citizen or permanent resident? Have you met someone from another country on the Internet or while travelling? If so, think carefully before marrying them and sponsoring them to come to Canada.

Sponsors must give financial support to their spouse for three years, even if the marriage or relationship fails. If your spouse uses social assistance, you will have to repay the money. Also, you cannot sponsor anyone else until you repay the debt.

Sponsorship is a legal contract with the Government of Canada. You must meet its terms.

Sponsors: Do not be tempted by offers of money or other rewards to marry a person just so he or she can immigrate to Canada. If you do this, you may face serious criminal charges. You will also still have to meet the terms of the sponsorship.

Do not feel you must help somebody by being part of a marriage of convenience, no matter what the reason. It is not worth the risks.

Visa applicants: Do not get involved in a false marriage. CIC will refuse your visa and may ban you from travel to Canada for two years. This will stay on your CIC record forever.

CIC knows that even genuine marriages can fail. But, if you enter into a marriage of convenience and come to Canada as an immigrant, Canada may:
•take legal action against you and
•deport you from Canada.
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It has always been like that in the US. Anyone who gets a spouse visa before two years of marriage gets a CR visa, i.e. a conditional resident visa. After 2 years they have to apply and go through an interview process to prove the marriage is real before they get permanent residency. I remember when a couple we are friends with went through the process they asked us to write a letter about their relationship that they could use in support of the application, but actually the husband's citizenship application was approved before before his scheduled interview to remove the conditional status ever happened they were so backlogged with interviews! If you get the visa after you have been married for 2 years, it is permanent from the beginning, an IR (Immigrant Resident) visa.
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If you have a thorn in your foot pull it out don't leave it there to keep pricking and festering learn from your experiences and move on.
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I think that they would need to hire out Wembley Stadium for their first meeting, that is as long as it only concerns the spurned ex-spouses of the Egyptian husbands. :D
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I think what is burning and eating at these women is that they seem to have been deliberately scammed via a purposeful plan to defraud and that is what isn't sitting well. If you view yourself as a smart aware knowing thinking professional who does all the 'right' things and then finds out you got taken - what do you do? How do you reconcile this with yourself? Easy to say 'carry on' but emotional scarring isn't always that easy to cope with.

To me this is similar to when elderly seniors are financially scammed and end up losing a portion of or all their life savings. There are entire Gov't Departments set up to investigate and explore this under "Vulnerable Adult" statutes which deem these activities criminal. There are definite laws to investigate these matters re: Seniors and Vulnerable Adults. Maybe this is what these women are going for - to have their experiences investigated in a similar way - BUT ??? Not sure how this can be done IF they have signed their assets away on the dotted line.
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The woman who married the Egyptian in the article had doubts but went ahead and married him anyway. And there are many women like that. They fooled themselves before the man every did.
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The woman who married the Egyptian in the article had doubts but went ahead and married him anyway. And there are many women like that. They fooled themselves before the man every did
Ahh - I didn't bother to read the article. I just read the thread post part and, well, IF you got doubts and go ahead anyway - shame on you for not vetting out the potential lothario better in which case you reap what you have sown.

Wasn't Gullible the name of the traveler who got taken over by hordes of Little People? :o 8)
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DJKeefy wrote: She said: “A lot of people think women who fall for these scams are just silly and naive, but that’s not true.

“We hear from teachers, managers and business owners who have ended up seriously out of pocket and had their hearts broken by these men.
:tk Why would teachers, managers and business owners not be silly and naive?

:urm: I have met a few, male and female.
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