Complete Ban

[claverley]

The UK government have announced a COMPLETE BAN on selling petrol or diesel cars FROM 2040 in order to go electric!

[HEPZIBAH]

Then I think an awful lot more work will have to be done in improving the alternatives. I also hope the environmental damage, and realistic costs, of providing alternatives such as all electric cars is fully and honestly weighed up.

I drive a hybrid, but it is a non plug in one. The thought of having to remember to go and plug in my car would drive me nuts.

[Horus]

2040 is still a long way off and if it does happen I reckon it wil be more to do with advancing technology than a ban.

[newcastle]

As Horus says, 2040 is a long way off. I doubt I'll be around to witness the impact.

UK (and France) represent a small proportion of the world's vehicle-related energy usage and fuel oil consumption. But if the policy was adopted worldwide, the consequences would be dramatic. The end of the current century might look nothing like now in terms of energy generation and
usage...particularly if the problem of nuclear fusion is cracked.

Some statistics to ponder :

Almost half the world's current oil production is used in vehicles. The move might be environmentally beneficial......but a problem for the oil-producing countries.

Presumably, the energy consumption of vehicles ( currently produced by fossil fuels) will have to be replaced by electrical energy.

But two-thirds of the world's electrical energy is currently produced by fossil fuels and the pace of the move to alternative sources is problematic.

Gives me a headache trying to get my mind round it all

[Horus]

As you say, unless we can crack nuclear fusion then nothing really goes away, we just shift the problem elsewhere. The old saying of “nothing is free” holds true, every form of energy production (other than nuclear fusion) has a cost, it all comes down to converting one form of stored energy into another and that means using fossil fuels. Other forms of energy have hidden costs, wind, tidal or solar power all have manufacturing and running costs which have to be taken into account, who gives much thought to the detrimental effects of mining the metals and minerals required to produce the vast banks of batteries required for an electric car to run? Let alone the resulting pollution disposal problem of these things once they are redundant. As with all these things governments jump first and ask the questions later, once upon a time diesel was the best option and we were all encouraged to use it, now it is deemed the worst polluter, all that in a few short years.

[carrie]

How many nuclear power stations will it take to produce enough electricity to power these vehicles? I find that prospect more frightening than pollution.

[newcastle]

Maybe we need to develop teleportation.

Imagine all those police boxes popping up everywhere.

Must ask the new Doctor what fuel the Tardis uses

[Horus]

Must ask the new Doctor what fuel the Tardis uses

How would she know, they always leave that job to the men

[newcastle]

Must ask the new Doctor what fuel the Tardis uses

How would she know, they always leave that job to the men

[Kevininabydos]

It was Germany that announced it first and by 2030
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 54281.html

[Horus]

And today it was announced that BMW will be building the first all electric Mini in the UK.

[newcastle]

Norway and the Netherlands are close to introducing similar fuel-banning legislation.

Leonardo Da Vinci was way ahead. He designed a self-propelled vehicle 540 years ago. Who needs electricity!?



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/ ... 74029.html

[Horus]

Norway and the Netherlands are close to introducing similar fuel-banning legislation.

Leonardo Da Vinci was way ahead. He designed a self-propelled vehicle 540 years ago. Who needs electricity!?



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/ ... 74029.html

But I think that you need a horse, or be a strong rower

[newcastle]

Norway and the Netherlands are close to introducing similar fuel-banning legislation.

Leonardo Da Vinci was way ahead. He designed a self-propelled vehicle 540 years ago. Who needs electricity!?



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/ ... 74029.html

But I think that you need a horse, or be a strong rower

Just muscle power! (Count me out )

And the impact on road death statistics would be tremendous

[Horus]

Just think what that guy could have done if he had access to a motor

[claverley]

I think I got it! its back to the cotton reel, elastic band and candle! but still too slow! any suggestions?

[Horus]

Did you cut some notches on the cotton bobbin ends for extra grip?

[Dusak]

Just think what that guy could have done if he had access to a motor

According to JL he did, just didn't realize it.

[newcastle]

The advance of science...or not.

Ancient Egyptian helicopter


Leonardo Da Vinci helicopter


Modern helicopter

[Winged Isis]

I've been waiting since childhood for flying cars like in The Jetsons.