Any info on Laura Plummer

[Who2]

I hear that our 'drug mule is up for appeal today Xmas Day, I wonder if she received any presents ?
Xmas Day in 1998 was also a Monday I got a Mars Bar, a T-shirt emblazoned 'Same sh*t different Day' and HMP Scrubbs gave everybody 250grams of rancid butter. Big mistake as rancid butter sticks to most things......
Ps: Oh! they also 'topped Nicolae Ceaușescu & his Mrs......"Bon Noel"

[Who2]

Latest up-date. 3 years but an appeal is being presented. Hey could be worse the max was a death sentence.
So, be grateful for small mercies we can await with baited breath for the memoir, 3 years.
Send for Boris (cuddly) Johnson, he can only make it worse but he might help boost the tourist industry.....
Ps: Would you want a man speaking for you that names his kids': Cassia Peaches Johnson, Lara Lettice Johnson, Milo Arthur Johnson, Theodore Apollo Johnson, 'Jesus wept I'd ask for an adoption.....

[newcastle]

Latest up-date. 3 years but an appeal is being presented. Hey could be worse the max was a death sentence.
So, be grateful for small mercies we can await with baited breath for the memoir, 3 years.
Send for Boris (cuddly) Johnson, he can only make it worse but he might help boost the tourist industry.....
Ps: Would you want a man speaking for you that names his kids': Cassia Peaches Johnson, Lara Lettice Johnson, Milo Arthur Johnson, Theodore Apollo Johnson, 'Jesus wept I'd ask for an adoption.....

BREAKING: British tourist sentence to 3 YEARS in Egyptian jail over painkiller smuggling

A BRITISH tourist has been sentenced to three years in an Egyptian jail after being found guilty of smuggling drugs into the country, only narrowly escaping the death penalty.

Laura Plummer, a 33-year-old shop worker from Hull was arrested after she was found with 290 Tramadol tablets painkiller tablets in her suitcase.

But her family have described her as being naive and said that she only took the tablets to the country to give to her Egyptian partner Omar Taboo who has back pain.

A judge sentenced her to three years in prison and ordered her to pay a fine of 100,000 Egyptian pounds (£4,205).

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/89 ... Omar-Taboo

Strange definition of "narrowly"

"The accused is hereby sentenced to death by hanging, at a time and place to be determined..........but, as she's got nice tits, we'll make that 3 years plus a fine.

Court dismissed."

[Who2]

I would like to hear a few comments upon her sentence especially a comment from our
specialist member of law & order MT....

[Major Thom]

How can you comment. Judging by what the News says about her health, she will not last 3 years, and we all know what Egyptian prisons are like, pity she could have not made a cock and bull story up and fled the country.

What incidentally happened to the boyfriend who it was reported wanted the Tramadol for a bad back? (He apparently wanted the Tramadol, and being local would know Tramadol is illegal in Egypt) I suppose nothing, he too would tell a cock and bull story and deny everything. If she makes it through her prison sentence will he still be there for her, will he still visit her or what?

What is the law in Egypt for people from a civilised Country where Tramadol is used for severe pain and they take it for medicinal purposes. Its not up to the civilised Country to put right the failing in the law to a Country that cannot control its own people. I suppose though this may be a problem when you have a Country that is poor and has to rely on self medication, due to Dr's prices. Although Tramadol is addictive due to its opium base, when used and supplied under medical supervision, (And I mean proper medical supervision) it an excellent pain killer. It becomes dangerous in corrupt Countries, when Dr's/Pharmacies give them out to the people with the most cash. The drug then becomes dangerous. To my mind the people have lost a powerful pain killer, not by themselves but by the misuse of prescription or selling.

I did not know Tramadol was not to be taken into Egypt, until this subject was posted and I suppose there are a lot of people still do not know, but one thing is for certain there are a lot of people taking medically supervised Tramadol that will be going to Spain this year. I suppose my question would be, did the young woman purchase the Tramadol over a period of time, because you can only get so many prescribed at a time. Did he buy them like Egyptians do on the Black Market. There also has to be asked why did she not try and hide them, that says she was unaware of the laws, and technically the Court should have accepted this and fined her heavily but not imprisoned. I have to admit that over 4000GBP is a fine virtually unheard of in this Country, who will pay that?
But again someone will be clapping their hands another load into the exchequer. All in all the fine and imprisonment were appalling and yes an appeal should be made, doubt it will do any good though, because little knowledge is more powerful than great knowledge. Difficult one when you can only assume what has happened, news form Egypt is always thin on the ground and biased. Who knows she may escape and be found in a drainage ditch, gagged and beaten, and no one will know why.

[Dusak]

All my life I have believed, and expected, the law to be upheld. To be naive or show signs of ignorance or lack of information is no excuse in the eyes of the law. She received what she deserved, unlike the thousands of innocents that received what they did not deserve.

[carrie]

So it's a defense now that you are not aware of the law, sorry mi lud didn't know it was illegal to rob that bank, sorry mi lud didn't know it was illegal to murder, torture, smuggle drugs. Oh so sorry let them off.

[newcastle]

I would have thought the sentence indicates the judge thought she was stupid/ignorant rather than criminally inclined.

But, as others have pointed out, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

The sentence seems unexceptional in a country which often (though not always) takes a hard line on lawbreakers..as opposed to the more lenient approach of, say, UK

[Who2]

"Ignorantia juris non excusat' Where this is acceptable is, if it is uttered by Lawyers....

[crewmeal]

If there was an appeal could the judges increase the sentence? Not familiar with what some of these judges think!

[newcastle]

If there was an appeal could the judges increase the sentence? Not familiar with what some of these judges think!

They certainly could!

And if they got wind of some of the garbage appearing in the UK media, I wouldn't blame them.

[DJKeefy]

I still think there is more to this than we know, yes its wrong what she did, but I still have this feeling that either the government have a beef with the UK over something or the police (like in the past few years) are showing not just the Egyptians they are in charge but also the foreigners.
They are locking Egyptians up for virtually nothing these days, ex-pats are already treading on eggshells with the visa situation, soon you will be getting locked up for putting your rubbish out on the wrong day or what ever they decide they can make up for that day, it's slowly been getting worse since 2015

PS: I think virtually all ex-pats have committed the crime of transporting meds (both ways)

example just 3 boxes of co codamol = 300 tablets

[Dusak]

Speaking just for myself, I've never felt inclined to bring in, nore take out any form of drug. I do not see the need as everything is freely available here that you may need on a daily bases.

[newcastle]

Speaking just for myself, I've never felt inclined to bring in, nore take out any form of drug. I do not see the need as everything is freely available here that you may need on a daily bases.

Really??

My friend! Must pop down to Karnak when I'm next in town..

[carrie]

I thought the idea was that you can bring drugs into the country if you have a pre condition and your medication had been prescribed by a doctor. You had a doctors note to prove this and the only thing absolutely prohibited was Methadone?

[crewmeal]

It's all very well bringing in a medical certificate from your GP but can your local Egyptian customs man read it without creating a scene when you've brought in your prostate pills, your low blood pressure pills and antihistamines for your snotty nose?

[Major Thom]

It will be condoms next, for fear of decreasing the population And really they need them, like a recent post it seems HIV could be rife or fast growing, mind you its the women that get the blame for the spread isn't it!

[Dusak]

It's all very well bringing in a medical certificate from your GP but can your local Egyptian customs man read it without creating a scene when you've brought in your prostate pills, your low blood pressure pills and antihistamines for your snotty nose?

Wow crewmeal, by the sounds of things you're really having a hard time of it.

[Who2]

I hear it only costs $40 from a Dr to issue certificates for the use of Medical Marijuana.
Perhaps get them translated into Arabic for the customs men.
We once bought in 20 color pic's of Bin Laden rogering George Bush, they loved them we gave them 5 copies and told them to photocopy them.

More to the point from a concerned Dr, "just how is Laura's, young Omar Caboo's back these days ?
Having a rest from all that 'tourist interplay would be my prescription.
I see from Weight Watchers Website, Luara could be this years guest 'slimmer.....
I know Qena quite well, nice Mosque also good for auto-repairs.
PS: I know of her fear Waiting, waiting to go to HMP Wandsworth (the hate factory)
'then as we realised thousands upon thousands had been before us & survived..
and we, Me & my accomplice in crime had been surviving the system pretty well up till then....'look on the bright side!
Pss: Inflation What ? When I was 17, in 1967 our prescriptions only cost a £5 fiver off the infamous Dr Swan...

[crewmeal]

Wow crewmeal, by the sounds of things you're really having a hard time of it.

Its called getting old! High blood pressure caused by lifestyle and living it up over the years. But no walking stick just yet.