On this day

[LivinginLuxor]

On this day in 1923, Tutankhamen's burial chamber was unsealed officially - although there is some evidence that Carter, Carnavon and Lady Evelyn actually broke into it on the evening of the original opening in November 1922.

[Bullet Magnet]

I also heard a very compelling story that Carter discovered the tomb in 1917 .
Given that time in history, there would be a number of legitimate reasons for not announcing the discovery back then.

The official story of the Carter's donkey's back leg and the fact that Caernarfon was just days away from pulling the funding....
( shouldn't the donkey have got the credit ) ? Well, it makes for a more interesting story..

[BBLUX]

Maybe that donkey was the grandfather of the one who discovered the tombs of the Golden Mummies at Bahariya. Perhaps they come from a long line of donkey egyptologists.

[Bullet Magnet]

Maybe that donkey was the grandfather of the one who discovered the tombs of the Golden Mummies at Bahariya. Perhaps they come from a long line of donkey egyptologists.

Zahi should have invested in one, but probably realised the intelligence of said beast of burden and didn't want to be shown up

[DIANA]

I also heard a very compelling story that Carter discovered the tomb in 1917 .
Given that time in history, there would be a number of legitimate reasons for not announcing the discovery back then

I have heard that story too but I don't for one moment believe that a man like Carter would pretend to dig for years for a tomb which he had already found five years earlier.

[LivinginLuxor]

Me either. As far as I know he spent the war years in Cairo working for the War Dept., and certainly if he was excavating here he would have needed to employ local people, and so the 'secret' would quickly come out.

[Brian Yare]

Stan

During WWI Carter spent some free time at Luxor, including supervising the clearance of the 2nd cache at Deir el-Bahri. He resumed work in The Valley of the Kings in 1917.

See Carter, H. (1923) The Tomb of Tutankhamun, Volume I. pp. 76-83.

Brian

[Bullet Magnet]

You'll also come to realise in time, that there were things in that tomb that the masses were never allowed to see.
For people like me, I can see the significance of the 2 different names on the sides of his golden throne, despite the Egyptologist's explanation..

How do you think man ever made the quantum leap from cave dwelling to "Oh, lets go build a Pyramid or two tomorrow", if history is to be believed ?

Carter, as you rightly say was a spy, not an Egyptologist, yet overnight he suddenly started searching for TutAnkhAmoun... odd ?? Not really.
I'm sure that several thousand years ago, there were Greeks and Romans looking for the same tomb as well, but they had already found what they were looking for, Historically, that is obvious.


Conspiracy theorist, or just plain common sense ? time, sooner rather than later will tell..

[Glyphdoctor]

Not sure about Carter, but there was another spy who was sent to work on his dig to hide him away for a while. Archaeology has long been a cover for intelligence and other related activities and I don't think much has changed in that regard.

[A-Four]

On this day in 1923, Tutankhamen's burial chamber was unsealed officially - although there is some evidence that Carter, Carnavon and Lady Evelyn actually broke into it on the evening of the original opening in November 1922.

I would like to know here where is the evidence to PROVE that our 'old friends' here were guilty, this is a very serious statement here Stan, being that there are only a hand full of us who know this to be true,..........I did not know the evidence had been published.

[A-Four]

Stan

During WWI Carter spent some free time at Luxor, including supervising the clearance of the 2nd cache at Deir el-Bahri. He resumed work in The Valley of the Kings in 1917.

See Carter, H. (1923) The Tomb of Tutankhamun, Volume I. pp. 76-83.

Brian

This is very true Brian, Carter was working for SIS (M.I.6. to you and I) in Cairo and Alex, he was sacked, a total idiot, although this could have been a deliberate ploy of his, after all he was a very crafty deceitful charactor,...........though we should not speak ill of the dead. I was wondering here, how is the present day Lord Carnarvon.

[A-Four]

Not sure about Carter, but there was another spy who was sent to work on his dig to hide him away for a while. Archaeology has long been a cover for intelligence and other related activities and I don't think much has changed in that regard.

Here, don't knock it Glyph, one or two of you're lot were down there sniffing, and that was before you lot even entered the War, if only those walls of old Oriental House on the WB could speak.

[Glyphdoctor]

I don't know about Luxor but back in Chicago during WWII their colleagues were cracking the Germans' codes.

[A-Four]

I don't know about others on here Glyph, but I think you have been watching to many mickey mouse films made for your fellow country men, that really are not that true believe me, I drink scotch whiskey.

So yer can stick that in yer inigma machine while the Dr comes up with who starred in the Disney production.

Good God, next you'll be saying that old Grey Davis and Mayor Brown, are slightly to the left of Obama.

[Bullet Magnet]

A-Four,

Was it not noted many years later that Lord Caernarfon's estate included some "treasures" that could only have come from Tut's tomb,
but were not documented in the original ledger ?

Caernarfon was not shelling out good money for the benefit of the masses, that's now how these kind of people operate as we all know too well.

Then there's the Chariot's wheel base to consider.. Maybe a bit more digging around that tomb may reveal another entrance ?

Odd that everyone seemed to forget about king Tut' rather quickly.
Short memories it would seem when it came to creating Rameses VI 's tomb..
Then another memory lapse when clearing out the valley when the Pharaohs moved back up north.. Careless ? I think not..

[A-Four]

Well BM, - I've been out on the old Enva Cream this evening, so I would rather like to comment upon your above statement tomorrow night. It is known on here that I do not give links, it is also known I have very good ground info on our dear old friend Mr Howard Carter.

Perhaps until then, some one else might shine a torch on this subject.

[Bullet Magnet]

Emva cream Eh ??

So prersumably when following the recipe for Sherry trifle, you got as far as opening the sherry bottle and . glug . glug .

Bristol cream is the favoured ingedient in Alisons Sherry trifle.. I have in the wee small hours of the morning, been known to polish off the entire bowl full of trifle, a Sarah Lee chocolate cake and several rounds of toast an butter
//cough//

[A-Four]

I note here BM, you joined this organ about the same time as my good self. You may remember a dear member on here called Jane Aksher, who at that time was seeking info on here with regards to the future opening of Carter House, Yours trully wrote an article here, that to many sounded so untrue, mainly because it was not part of the 'Pimm's, ice, splash and a dash' group of people, who to this day frequent the likes of the British Museum set.

In !998 the British Museum here in London put on a most spectacular exhibition, for the 75 year anniversary for the Carter discovery of Tut, there were at least two separate items of solid gold, approx 14 ins high, that were on display, the info tag simply said,.....on loan from a Japanese collector. This was total rubbish, and as some of you will know, when there is such an important special exhibition at the BM, there are, what they call - study lectures, which as a rule are very tame thing, a little like those in Luxor, where every one is so polite to each other. This lecture was going to be very different. A certain person, dropped the dynamite question, it was well planned, but as a direct result of that question and its follow up, two junior curators were sacked with in one week of that explosive lecture, a most senior curator left the BM within one month of this lecture, and became the chief curator of another Egyptology Museum here in London, that is famed throughout the world, and even today the BM's greatest loss, OF ALL TIME. I add here the fact that both items were removed the same evening after the said lecture, and never seen since.

Some of you I know, attended the official opening of Carter House, I also was officially invited to the opening, but did not attend. On that afternoon I remember walking down from the Kings Valley, I honestly had foregotten about the event, but could hear the bally-hoo, I wondered to myself that being that the present Earl and his dear wife were in attendance, would any one there drop the dynamite question, but no, every one sat through, as though they were charactors from one of Alan Bennett's monologues

I can understand, when Carter's decendant attended the opening of this place, but to invite the present Earl of Carnarvon and his wife beggers belief, when with in their home, they know that they hold very important beautiful items from Tut's tomb, 'never before seen by joe public', stolen by a member of his family, from the nation and people of Egypt. I later learnt , that the present Earl arranged a special tour of Egypt, of PAYING guest where he was the 'tour leader and guide'. Believe me the man had not, a clue. When the dust had settled over the opening of Carter House, I visited the old place, much different from the old days, when I last previouslly saw it. and my reason for visiting was because, after an essay I wrote on here, called Carter House re-visited, Stan stated that he could not find the verhanda, I had discussed, therefore I checked the place out, and yes its still there, and told him so, on here. While in the House I noticed that the present Earl and his dear Lady wife had left their 'calling-card', come and see our home in England, they did not add that the average joe would have to cough -up £15 each to have a look around. Finaly, I learn that these two are the patrons, good God patrons, of a chariety on the WB. I always thought patrons had to be above all suspission of anything wrong.

As a direct result of the lecture at the BM, all those years ago, no one now is allowed to exhibit items there, with the simple reference ' on loan from a Japanesse collector'. when at that same time ALL officials of that institute knew exactly where the said items had come from.

For your info Bullet, there is no evidence what so ever, that Tuts tomb had previouslly been entered. Look at the famous photo of the wall showing the two guardian statues, there in the middle is a circullar basket on the floor, wedged upon the wall, that hides the hole where Carter etc illegally broke into the section of the tomb where Tut's remains were held.

Note Bullet,- none of the so called establishment on here comment, they remember Jane's famous two words,...................it reads like Janet and John to me,..............another Pimm's vicar.

A-Four.

[LivinginLuxor]

Carter never married, so how did one of his descendants attend the opening - I was there and surely if he was, he would have made some sort of speech. I totally agree though with the point about the tomb 'robber's hole'.

[Bullet Magnet]

Thank you for your answer A-Four, much as I suspected.

Now, even Carter said that the tomb had been opened prior to his dicovery of it, and he feared the worst.
Again, just another cover story ?

Why was the chariot broken ? It's wheelbase was wider than the door ! it makes no sense putting a broken chariot in his tomb if the explanations as to why these things were placed there in the first place are to be believed.

Truth be known, I dont even believe TutAnkhAmoun existed in the timeframe they say he did, same for Arkenhaten, but that's another story..

Anyhow, I will ponder your answer a bit more, something niggling me. Also I have to be somewhere soon.
Thanks again A-Four..