Real or replica???

[Yildez]

There's a thread on the Facebook page about Carter's House - the spruced up place with the Carter memorabilia. It seems some posters believe it's the original house where he lived, whilst others believe it's a replica.

Which is correct? One for Stan, maybe?

[HEPZIBAH]

Aren't all the 'sites' replicas to a degree. Pieces may have been put together like gigantic jigsaw puzzles but can they all be really 100% accurate. It also opens up the debate on the often fine line between restoration, renovation and...as in the opening post...replication!

[carrie]

Not been but Stan seemed pretty impressed with the place, it is the place where Carter lived we will have to visit when you come. Another day out planned.

[HEPZIBAH]

I went to Carter House soon after it had opened and found it an interesting little gem. I actually fell in love with the house the moment I stepped in the door - regardless of the associations of the place (or not as some would argue) and the contents displayed.

[A-Four]

All I shall say at this point is that Carter's first house, if want to call it that, was up in the hills almost direct west from the Ramassium.

For further information at this stage,...........see my notes on this subject, some three years ago on this site.

[HEPZIBAH]

All I shall say at this point is that Carter's first house, if want to call it that, was up in the hills almost direct west from the Ramassium.

For further information at this stage,...........see my notes on this subject, some three years ago on this site.

A-Four, you regularly suggest people read up on something that you wrote and posted years ago. I would suggest that if you really want people to read what you have written that you give them at least a clue to help them best use the search facility, if not an actual link to the thread.

[Who2]

It's like asking an unhelpful liberian or even libraryian to find that special book…

[A-Four]

All I shall say at this point is that Carter's first house, if want to call it that, was up in the hills almost direct west from the Ramassium.

For further information at this stage,...........see my notes on this subject, some three years ago on this site.

A-Four, you regularly suggest people read up on something that you wrote and posted years ago. I would suggest that if you really want people to read what you have written that you give them at least a clue to help them best use the search facility, if not an actual link to the thread.

Sorry Hepzibah, I do remember writing a subject post called Carter House, when this place was first opened up to the public. Having now looked and discovered that it is missing. I wrote it to give those on here detailed information about this house. If I remember, a certain student on this site trashed the essay at the time and remarked that it sounded like a Janet and John book, a reference she was to regret. Stan's remark was with regards to a verhanda that he could not find at that time on his first visit, that is there still, and faces the Muslim cemetery for a special reason, for which I gave a detailed reason. That very same verhanda is still there today, as part of Carter House.

[Yildez]

Not been but Stan seemed pretty impressed with the place, it is the place where Carter lived we will have to visit when you come. Another day out planned.

I visited it in 2011,but am happy to go again. I felt that it had an atmosphere of deep unhappiness - I'm not prone to feeling such things, so it was very surprising to me. Felt it was quite depressing. Also, I didn't really believe that all the bits and pieces had belonged to Carter; this was confirmed when the Guardian wanted me to sit at the desk with Carter's hat on to have my photo taken! No thank you!

I'm still not clear whether or not this WAS his house! AFour seems to be suggesting otherwise? Stan??????

[HEPZIBAH]

I believe there is some confusion between Carter's House at the bottom of the hill and the more impressive looking house further up the hill which is known as Stoppelair (sp?) House which I understand was designed by Hassan Fathy.
Maybe Carter lived at both sites at some time during his association with Luxor! Just a thought.

[newcastle]

http://www.tawy.nl/EN_dh_Castle_Carter_II.html

This is the information you require

[A-Four]

Not been but Stan seemed pretty impressed with the place, it is the place where Carter lived we will have to visit when you come. Another day out planned.

I visited it in 2011,but am happy to go again. I felt that it had an atmosphere of deep unhappiness - I'm not prone to feeling such things, so it was very surprising to me. Felt it was quite depressing. Also, I didn't really believe that all the bits and pieces had belonged to Carter; this was confirmed when the Guardian wanted me to sit at the desk with Carter's hat on to have my photo taken! No thank you!

I'm still not clear whether or not this WAS his house! AFour seems to be suggesting otherwise? Stan??????

Yes you are correct Yildez, this is the house, and you are correct in thinking this was and even today I feel the same that this is a quite sad place. You are also correct again in stating that little of its furnishings are original. I was in this place many years ago, and all I discovered were a pile of old books, and that was it.

Much was written about Carter and this house, most of which is rubbish.

Before Carter came across a certain lord from G.B., Carter had a very small mud brick house near Naghkt Tomb, where he would by 'item', then sell to the likes of J.P.Morgan, where today you can visit these such 'items' at the Met in New York.

[LivinginLuxor]

The Carter House we see is the one that he lived in, but the artefacts inside are not original, except maybe the kitchen stove! When it was being refurbished an appeal went out for any photographs of the house and its furnishings. I couldn't find any on the interweb, but edited the scenes from the BBC series Egypt, to put together the segments filmed in 'Carter's House', and gave it to the architect and he used it as a guide to the type of furnishings that would have been there at the time.

[Yildez]

Thanks AFour, thanks Stan, and thanks Newcastle - interesting article.

[Brian Yare]

I believe there is some confusion between Carter's House at the bottom of the hill and the more impressive looking house further up the hill which is known as Stoppelair (sp?) House which I understand was designed by Hassan Fathy.
Maybe Carter lived at both sites at some time during his association with Luxor! Just a thought.

The one up the hill was Lord Carnavon's house iirc.

[LivinginLuxor]

Highly unlikely, as it was built in the 1950s!!!

[Yildez]

Confusion reigns!!

[Brian Yare]

Confusion reigns!!

I suspect that Stan is correct - Lord Carnarvon tended to reside at the Winter Palace. So whose is the 1950s house?

[Glyphdoctor]

Carter's house is at the bottom of the hill. When it was built exactly I don't know. Stoppelaere's house, on top of the hill, was built in the beginning of the 1950s by Hassan Fathy. Stoppelaere was a conservator for the Service des Antiquities but he never actually moved into the house because in 1952 he lost his job and left the country. Neither house is a replica of anything although Carter's house was restored a few years back. And these are the facts.

[HEPZIBAH]

Maybe Carter lived at both sites at some time during his association with Luxor! Just a thought.

Please note my careful use of the word 'site' as opposed to 'houses'.
I had already commented that the Stoppelear House was designed by Hassan Fathy so Carter could not have lived in that house. What was there before that particular house though I have no idea - possibly nothing, but there may have been a former dwelling for all I know!