The goddess Tefnut as Eve? What does that mean?

[Aromagician]

Recent research I did, said that one of the names of the Goddess Tefnut in Mesopotamia was Nin-ti which means lady of Life.
Ti means rib. So it literally means Lady of the Rib, which of course also equates to Eve.

So is it actually Atum and Tefnut rather than Adam and Eve?
How has the myth been altered?

I remember Mrs doubtfire talking about Atum being Adam, and painted red as the earth. But this is the first time I had heard of Tefnut as Eve.

Is the story of her descending into the chaos, similar to Eve being sent out of the garden of Eden?
Why would Atum be in the story but not Shu? Hmm?

This site here says
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible%2 ... hawwah.htm

Hawwah (CHAVVAH), mistakenly called Eve by generations, is probably one of the best-known women in the world throughout the ages. The Hebrew name Hawwah links this very rare name with the prime verbal root "to make live" - hayah - which is in itself an Akkadian word. This concept is no doubt connected with her magnificent epithet or title.

Adam named his wife Hawwah because
she was the "Mother of All the Living" (Genesis 3:29).

Is it pure coincidence that the "Mother of All the Living" is precisely the title born by Ninhursag, the Sumerian "Lady (or even more stricktly Mistress) of the Mountain"? I don't think so. Earlier, in Genesis 2:21-23, we read of the creation of Hawwah. The first woman and great mother is not formed from clay or the earth, like her mail counterpart:

In the original version, it says that the male ate the forbidden fruits- Hah, typical

In the Sumerian version we find that Enki (who we now identify with Yahweh) is cursed by the great mother-goddess, Nisnhursag, because he has eaten forbidden plants growing in paradise. Kramer, the translator of the text, notes yet another parallel with the biblical paradise myth.

"Enki's eating of the eight plants and the curse uttered
against him for his misdeed recall the eating of the fruit
of the tree of knowledge by Adam and Eve and the
curses pronounced against each of them for this sinful action."

Enki's health begins to fail and the other gods realize that he is dying. They persuade Ninhursag to relent and she sets about the task of curing Enki's sickness, creating a goddess called Ninti to cure his failing bones.
My brother (Enki), what hurts you?
My rib hurts me.
To the goddess Nin-ti (`Lady of the Rib')
I (Ninhursag) have given birth for you."

Now the word for "rib" in Sumerian is "ti" which happens also to be the Sumerian verb "to make live." So the Mesopotamian author of the myth is employing a pun to equate the "Lady of the Rib" (Ninti) with the "Lady Who Makes Live" (Ninti) - that is the goddess who brings Enki back to life from his near-death condition.

When Kramer first translated the ancient text of the Sumerian paradise myth, he immediately saw in this passage an explanation for the biblical story of Adam's rib. The author (or perhaps the later redactor) of Genesis when he adapted this myth in order to incorporate elements of it into the biblical narrative, was clearly unaware of the fact that the Sumerian tale involved a play on words and so simply translated ti as "rib." Thus "Eve" is created from a rib and, because there is no similarity between the Hebrew word for "rib" (tsalah) and "to make live" (hayah) the pun is lost.

What remains of the hidden meaning, however, is the epithet "Mother of All the Living" which is in itself the predominant attribute of the great mother goddess, Ninhursag (also known as Nintu and Mami), who bears the epithet "Mother of All Offspring" (Sum. Ana-dumu-dumu-ene). It seems, then, that Eve may have begun her existence in the literature of mankind as a goddess but, because of the monotheistic tenets of the Israelite religion she becomes humanized - made mortal - and, although retaining her status as "Mother of All Living" is demoted to the role of the spouse to the first man to be made of clay by the god of creation.

So it seems Nin-ti which apparently is also Tefnut? Not sure how that works, is Eve. So Eve started off as a goddess, but was demoted when it was decided there was one God. Demoted but retained in another form. Interesting how a story gets changed as peoples beliefs change. Yet its still there, still part of the backbone of the creation myths.

So who was the two legged who became the serpent in sumerian mythology?

[Bullet Magnet]

A long time ago, a very long time ago, humans did not speak, they were much more intelligent back then.
they could produce sounds when required or necessary.
They understood symbology as I call it, shapes colours, and the meaning behind them ( Men are now Blue not Red any more )
It's all been distorted into a grotesque story.

The story is not a literal one, just like the Bible, you need to think in Metaphors and Analogies.

Sad world when we dont understand the metaphors and analogies any more, the whole damn world is symbolic.. Most dont even know what the Moon is here for, what the Sun really is or how to read the stars.

I have presented much information to this forum, but the medium was never understood or even recognised, so the information was lost... to most.

Life is just a Game.. A Game that cant be won.

[Aromagician]

I understand that the other world as portrayed in myth and stories is indeed a metaphorical one that resonates upon the physical world that we see. Which is why even though religions have changed there is always the similar basic tenements. They are important parts Of the creative building blocks of our world which is why the ancient people went to so much trouble to ensure the stories were not lost.
Many if them describe astrological cycles that induce particular waves of consciousness that sweep the planet earth . Mythological cycles of consciousness.
They are so much more than stories of ancient people deemed gods.

I do not understand why people are now blue? Red because we were tied to the earth . Blue usually symbolizes the sky or the heavens. Some people may be more attuned to the sky energy . Perhaps this was like Krishna .
But I would not say all men are now blue. As the earth energy and the lessons it gives are too strong for many to resist its pull.

[Aromagician]

The snake in Egypt has various roles . Some serpents are protectors others like Apepi have to be overcome . Yet if the biblical story of eve originates from the Egyptian and Sumerian versions , why is the snake evil?

The Eden version does state that the snake was a two legged . Which would imply that it was in a different form before the apple scene took place.

One site I read said that the translation for Eden was Garden of the gods . So do we presume that the snake was also a god to start with?


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[Aromagician]

So the question is why was Eve and Adam demoted from Atum and Tefnut or Ninti lady of all life or lady of the rib. Was it because they were too important to take out completely ? Only one god Yahweh but we will retain the other gods but make them human? Or does this in fact mean we are all gods but have just forgotten?


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[Who2]

Mrs Doubtfire was always using his grey matter, sorely missed…

[Aromagician]

I was thinking the same thing. Grey matter like that is hard to find.


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[Bullet Magnet]

Strange how the "Lord" God who recreated everything that God already created, manage to create all of creation including Adam, then needed a rib from the man to create Eve..

Weird or What ?

Anyway, the mysteries of Mankind will very soon be revealed, and, well, there are certainly a few surprises in store..

It's all Good of course, if not, non of us would be here today.

The 5000 years required is now up !
144,000 souls required to come into the light. I wonder how close a call it really was...

[Bullet Magnet]

Just about says it all really, does it not ?


PS Cain and Able were not 2 brother's they were the same person...

[Bullet Magnet]

Oh well, the image has gone.. Probably divine punishment for the quick Hi-jack of Aromagicians topic..

Adam and Eve,
Then Cain And Able, who were one person, not 2.

A very very long time ago, we lived on a planet named Maldek, this planet was obliterated out of the solar system, when a stray meteorite collided with it. ( This can still be seen at night in the form of the asteroid belt in the skys, notice that it is still in the old orbit between Venus and Mars)


So, we moved to Mars, which was all good, until ironically a piece of Maldek came to close to Mars and it caused the atmosphere to be punctured, so we had to move again, to Earth.. However, conditions were not exactly conducive for our survival, so a few things needed to happen first..

First man and Woman on earth ? well therein lies a problem, which brings us back to the transformation that is about to hit this wonderful planet of ours.

We are of course now in the age of Aquarius... A Picture paints a thousand words. Understand the metaphor for water, and this all makes sense..

(remember what Jesus said about the man with the pitcher of Water ? That time has come)

[Aromagician]

Strange how the "Lord" God who recreated everything that God already created, manage to create all of creation including Adam, then needed a rib from the man to create Eve..

Weird or What ?

Well what I read was that the literal translation of the name of Nin ti means two things- lady or Mother of all Life, or it can mean lady of the rib. It is one of those words that has two meanings. In the bible we got left with the rib version, as we dont have a word that means both. It is also probably more problematic to call Eve Mother of all life- which sounds a bit goddess like I suppose.

I have looked into the planetary thing in some great detail. Of course there are certain conditions that are required for life to thrive on a planet, in our case, in our present dimensional form. The planet has to be in what they call the Goldilocks zone, a certain distance from the sun, and to have water , and air etc ...

So unless we were in a different physical form, a different dimension, or a different solar system that how it is presently configured, it would not be possible for us to live on Mars. I am not saying those things are not possible, just that they would be a requirement.