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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:58 pm
by Frater0082
Only time will tell these ancient secrets ;)

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:05 pm
by Who2
One of my favourites….. :cool:
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Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:39 am
by Aromagician
Time, money and dna hopefully.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:53 pm
by Andrew Earl Singer
If the identity of Queen Nefertiti could be made, that would put many of the pieces of the Amarna Dynasty in their proper place

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:03 pm
by Frater0082
Yes they need to find Meketaten's body

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:46 am
by Aromagician
Why do you say that?

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:17 pm
by Frater0082
Because it would help alot's in solvong the dna results

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:35 pm
by Kaiserbernese
According to Dr Stephen Buckley, it is impossible to obtain reliable DNA from a mummy due to the resins used in the mummification process.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:11 pm
by Frater0082
I but they managed to do it before

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:56 pm
by Kaiserbernese
No they haven't.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 am
by Aromagician
Course they have and can.

They can get dna from spit rubbed from a cheek.

Technology is so advanced these days. They often use teeth or hair.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:04 pm
by Kaiserbernese
We're talking about mummies here.

I personally would not want to disagree one of, if not THE, world's leading expert in this field. I have heard Dr Buckley emphasise on more than one occasion that DNA cannot be obtained from mummies.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:45 pm
by newcastle
Kaiserbernese wrote:We're talking about mummies here.

I personally would not want to disagree one of, if not THE, world's leading expert in this field. I have heard Dr Buckley emphasise on more than one occasion that DNA cannot be obtained from mummies.
With respect, I think you are overstating Dr. Buckley's views. The DNA sequencing results of the 2011 investigation of the royal mummies was not fabricated. It is now thought that the 18th Dynasty mummies may have been subjected to a natron bath (rather than dry mummification which would have destroyed the DNA) and whilst the results should not be taken as conclusive (DNA can be corrupted) it is certainly possible to obtain DNA from mummies.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:54 pm
by Kaiserbernese
In that case we'll have to agree to disagree.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:57 pm
by Bullet Magnet
Even so with available DNA or not,
you have to take into account "Half Life", which is dependent upon time and environmental conditions.
521 years per half life is the current standard.

Many half lifes will have past, so the first half life will have split several times by now.

Even in forensics', DNA enhancement is not a reliable science, and no longer is allowed to be submitted as evidence in a court.

Re: has Nefertiti been identified at last? Or is this conjec

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:33 am
by Aromagician
What about this then
Sima de los Huesos, a cave in northern Spain, contains one of the largest collections of hominin fossils ever discovered. Now, this so-called “pit of bones” has also yielded the oldest hominin DNA ever sequenced.

Using a thigh bone from the cave, Matthias Meyer from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology has sequenced the almost complete mitochondrial genome of one of Sima de los Huesos’ inhabitants, who likely lived around 400,000 years ago. That is at least four times older than the previous record-holder—a small 100,000-year-old stretch of Neanderthal DNA.

Apparently Dna is more easily obtained from bones and teeth