The importance of the Pryamids.

[John Landon]

I fear that we are going to have the old 'Ram Pump' theory raising its head again

OK, consider that sound travels much faster through water ( keep in mind what I said about sound energy )
and Google "Pyramid Ram pump" and look at some of the images.
I still cant post links here yet, I think I will have to make more posts to do that.

IN all honesty as John Landon, I dont really want to get drawn into the Pyramids any more, the theory is not an easy one to explain to people, and when you do explain it, then you have more and more explanations to make to "justify" the original explanation.

I do hope you will understand, and I think with the way the general opinions about Egypt and even the story of mankind are shifting within the general population of the world, something is going to have to give sooner or later. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, the Pyramids' alternate theories are gaining a lot of ground over the conventional "dumb the people down tell 'em its a tomb built by slaves" explanation.

if you look on Youtube and the Internet in general, there has been a massive shift in Pyramid theories, and people are indeed starting to join the dots.
Academia is one day going to have egg on its face, and therin lies the problem.

We are now in the Age of Aquarius, the water carrier seen pouring the water on the earth, NO its not a sign that the big man is going to flood the earth and wipe us all out, water is a metaphor for truth and knowledge.

The Romans re set the clock 2000 years ago and as far as I can see, the real history of mankind. Though I dont think Abraham helped the cause much prior to that.

[Horus]

Well the pyraids certainly were not built by slaves, any serious student of Egypt knows that,so why bring that into the equasion? As to the zodiac signs there were originally 13 until 1 was removed, so in truth none of the present "ages" are correct anymore, so where does Aquarius come into it apart from being a made up astrological sign?

[John Landon]

The Zodiac seems to represent Ages Horus, But in all honesty I don't have a clue about THE definitive meaning, maybe someone else can shed more light on that ?
What they seem to represent in the last 4000 years are the various Abrahamic religions that have infiltrated the West.
Now Taurus was the Age prior to Aries, Nothing to do with the Israelites at all perhaps, The Golden Calf that Moses caught the Israelites worshipping when he came down from Mt Sinai, must have represented the Golden age of Ancient Egypt, The Israelites seemed reluctant to leave this golden age behind them. In Jeremiah, there is talk of the Israelites wanting to get out Israel and going back to Egypt, but they are told they cannot go back there. Aeries was then the New Age that Moses was indoctrinating the Israelites with during the 40 year exodus. After that came Pisces, which was the beginning of Christianity, Jesus being the fisher of men. ( that to me does not seem to bode well, after all, what is the fate of fish once they have been snared in a net ? )
Oddly enough and rather weirdly, is that we know the Greeks had an empire prior to the Romans, in the time or Aries so maybe they had something to do with the Old testament and the Age of Aries.
Here's the fun bit, the Ancient Greek word for Mars is Ares, and the Roman god of war was Mars, which was basically nicked off the Ancient Greeks. The Roman soldiers even had similar tunics in both colour and shape, similar armour too, and RED is associated with Anger, and Mars is the red planet.
This makes me think that once we left the Golden age, Mankind was doomed to face war and destruction, maybe as some kind of lesson ?
Taurus was 4000 - 2000 BC, then Aries was 2000 BC to the year Zero and Pisces was 0 - 2000 AD As I said, the Romans reset the clock, there must have been more ages prior to Taurus, maybe the Sphinx represents the Age of Leo, ? as it faces East and would have met it celestial self back then. that's starting in the year 10,000 BC.


Somehow, it seems the Israelites knew more than they were letting on in the scriptures regarding the demise of Baylon and Egypt, someone tipped them off to get out, or they got stitched up in later history..

Also Israel is an interesting name in itself. IS ( Isis ) Ra ( self explanatory ) and El the Chief of the Canaanite gods, but some say is Yahweh.

Problem is, History is written by the victor.

[Horus]

With the best will in the world I am struggling to follow your logic here

[John Landon]

I was trying to explain the Ages and the things that seem to happen in our history during those ages.
The Ages have have been around a long time and also our relationship to the stars, which has clearly been going on for Eons, or indeed Ages...
the 12 constellations takes 26000 years to come full circle, each age is about 2100 years.

There may well have been 13 of them that would fit nicely with the 26000 years and then be exactly 2000 years between each age, a nice round number.

At Dendera there are only 12 signs, and I often wondered why that zodiac is the wrong way round, so perhaps that has some meaning, as clearly the Earth could not have rotated the other way.

There are many other constellations in the sky,
... The Plough rotates clockwise around the north star, in the Bible it says, "And Man shall toil the fields",

and Orion, with the big pork sword between his legs, clearly not a real sword as no hunter in their right mind would carry a sword there, so a big phallus symbolically means he fathered a lot of children ? "Our Father who art in Heaven" ? Is Heaven up there is is it simply a state of mind ?

of course maybe the constellations are just random patterns made up from countless billions of stars in an infinite universe, ? or maybe they are something else ? how much do we really know for ourselves about what is beyond our wonderful planet ?

Clearly there was alot of knowledge about the stars all those years ago, and they allegedly didn't even have telescopes back then or advanced mathematics, and yet our world does not spin consistently, it wobbles, and they could account for that wobble back then ?

[Who2]

Quote: "His idea that the pyramids have planned stellar orientation,
influenced heavily by the constellation Orion, and the star Sirius, seem unarguably borne out by astronomical data.

For the Record:
It was never Bauval's idea neither was it Adrian Gilbert's.
I fell out with both of them,
they or rather Gilbert plagiarised the idea from an esoteric society he and I were involved with
easily 10 years prior to publication of The Orion Mystery.
I happened to be present when this and many other ground breaking ideas were illuminated upon and researched...

Ps: I also happened to be present at the debacle of Ogilvie-Heralds & Random House's plagiarism of Ralph Ellis'
Thoth in 98.

[John Landon]

So is Sirius represented by "Heliopolis" ?
( following the Pyramid layout as being Orions belt, which point to Sirius )


I may be foolish, but I do project thoughts towards the stars on the nights I can see them.
I often stand in my garden in awe and wonder at all that is above us.

My Godmother died recently, we had spent some time looking after her after my Godfather passed away.
one night I was outside having a ciggy and my eldest Grandson came outside and I told him of my Godmothers passing.
He said, I wish I had got to say goodbye to her. At that precise moment, a shooting star lit up the sky..

"There you go" I said to him She just said goodbye.

Now, and this goes waaay of topic.

I don't even believe life is real, its a form of Electric Dream for wants of a better description, and life is ALL subjective, I am in effect talking to myself on this forum and indeed in life itself.
BUT, What am I looking for ? A connection back to the dreamer ?


Well, they say time is wasted looking back, I guess that's why humans have eyes at the front, but damn my curiosity and my emotions...
personally I don't have a clue what is meant to be happening down here, All one has is hope, hope of making ones life better in each moment that passes.
I have had the misfortune to die many times in this life, this vehicle keep on going though.....

This is why I bide my time with the Pyramids, like Frater says, there is more to be discovered on that plateau, Zahi is wrong, he does not know everything there is to know about Giza, that is an arrogant and ignorant statement to make.
I am pretty sure a revelation will come soon, its just our so called leaders are having a bit of difficulty in wondering how on earth they can make this revelation without harming themselves and their beloved long standing establishe(d)-ment. If this isnt handled carefully, things could really go tits up in a massive way. People dont take kindly to being fooled.

[Horus]

Sorry, but I still cannot follow the logic of your argument, are you actually implying that some random cluster of stars that just happen to resemble a familiar pattern to both ancient and modern eyes have some influence upon our lives? Let us look at some facts rather than fiction, our brains are programmed to see familiar shapes or patterns in the world around us, hence when we see such a pattern we say “Oh look at that (insert item here) doesn’t it look like a (insert item here)”. The same applies to the stars, in reality they are separated by several light years apart and only look to be together because we see them in a flat plane as we look skyward, they are also the brightest objects to our eyes, so again appear to be together. If we were to see them in a 3D view as now produced in some TV adverts where the camera pans all around the subject, then we would see that they have no relationship to each other whatsoever other than being very bright.

As to the Denderah zodiac, well first of all you are making the assumption that our modern day version is correct and there is something wrong with the Egyptian one and that we were the first to recognise these star patterns. The one at Denderah is a copy with the original being in the Louvre museum if I remember correctly. In fact the Denderah zodiac contains what may look like many of our modern signs, but they are not necessarily the same, or indeed have the same meaning to them as to ourselves, plus there are many more figures that we do not have today in the Egyptian zodiac.

It is very likely that as we today base our own zodiac on earlier examples, that the Egyptians did the same and it is quite probable that they incorporated many ancient Babylonian gods and symbols into their own version, but modified them to suit, as indeed we have done with our own. So there is no mystic or magic to a zodiac, but rather a cluster of easily recognisable stars that throughout time have had an association passed down through the ages to describe their appearance. A good example is the ‘Plough’ constellation, to us that makes sense as it looks like a plough, but to an American it is the ‘Big Dipper’ because it resembles one of those drinking cups with a long handle so familiar in old Western movies.

[A-Four]

Over the Christmas period here in the U.K., I watched a program about the factual relationship between the writer Pj Travers and Walt Disney, with regards to bringing her series of books of the fictional character, Mary Poppins to the silver screen. I was quite surprised that the program had many factual inaccuracies, and certainly the researchers of this production must have been very lazy.

Having said this, I remember as a child been taken by my uncle and aunt to see this wonderful film, and I'm sure like many of you on here today, thoroughly enjoyed its charm, escapism, eccentricities, the unbelievablity of entering a cartoon world, and much more. Like so many of those that saw this film then, fully remember it today. I remember telling my uncle the thing that most amazed me about this very fictional film, it was the old navy commander who fired a cannon each day from the roof of his home, that in fact looked more like a ship than a roof. To my utter shock and amazement my uncle informed me that this roof actually exists, and what's more tomorrow, he would show me the very place. I remember thinking that night, if this was true, then surely by entering a pool of water in the street, perhaps I too could enter a magical cartoon world.

The very next day, true to his word, my uncle did take me to this very house, which was not far from where they lived. It was true, apparently 150 years earlier, a certain retired seafaring man installed a couple of cannons on the roof of his home, which he fired to celebrate naval victories and royal birthdays. This house is still around today.

I am sure by now you will be beginning to ask yourself what relevance has this to the above subject, well,........ Never believe what you are told in the modern world is truth, whilst in the real world, it may surprise you more to learn there may be more truth in fiction.

[Horus]

About time I moved this thread into Myths & Spirituality

[newcastle]

Wandering about a bit.....this topic.

Still....fascinating in parts.

Reminds of days gone by, chatting with friends as the sun rose post Trade....waiting for the drugs to wear off

[Who2]

A Christmas Story.

Early one December morning about 6am, me and my buddy Nick were sitting 7 levels up on the Pyramid
smoking & drinking in the atmosphere and surprisingly watching
a tethered hot air balloon slowly rise along with the sun.

On it were a film crew,
As the sun warmed us 5 black vehicles pulled up below us,
out jumped Japanese all dressed in formal evening wear.

"skin-up, this is getting interesting.
We had been in the Sphinx just 6 hours previous.

They had two holes dug in which 2 people were placed then they shovelled sand in up-to their necks.
All pretty surreal you might think, we are well used to the surreal.

The Prat in the Hat pulls right up below us, I say to Nick,
"I'll be back, I slither down grabbed shook his hand and presented him with a ..........
Tardis business card.....

Nick said: "Well, 'What did you say to the Prat ?
I said: "One day my son you will be the boss of all this, don't forget me"!
Turns out it was some mad Jap reality TV programme....
And the Prat in the Hat later became Top Cat....Prat Cat Hat......
Ps: "If you want to get a'head get a hat. Harpo Strangelove.

[A-Four]

I am sure like myself, the good Dr will remember six boy chocolate bars at Christmas, I certainly do, but these days what with inflation and all that, and being more grown up, it soon became a nine bar, with chocolates afterwards. .

[Horus]

I'm with you Newcastle, this thread is fast becoming surreal, but it is Christmas, think I will go and get ‘rat faced’ with the rest of the posters.

[A-Four]

Well, I sincerely hope that the Ovaltinees where ever they may be, take with them their Horlicks, as they step up the wooden ladder to Bedfordshire. .

P.S.- .

[FarleyFlavors]

His idea that the pyramids have planned stellar orientation, influenced heavily by the constellation Orion, and the star Sirius, seem unarguably borne out by astronomical data.

This sort of nonsense was throughly debunked by the Horizon programme Atlantis Reborn Again, in which they pointed out that several prominent Manhattan landmarks fitted the constellation of Leo.

"The Leo master plan doesn't account for every Manhattan landmark, but using Hancock's criteria it doesn't have to. As long as you have enough points and you don't need to make every point fit, you can find virtually any pattern you want."

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[newcastle]

In a very rare climb down, the BBC were forced to concede that their editing of various parts of the programme left a lot to be desired.

Since the Broadcasting Standards Commision found that Hancock and Bauval were judged to have been treated unfairly in this programme, the BBC were compelled by the Commission to change the original programme and broadcast a second programme.

The close alignment of the pyramids themselves and the "star shafts" of the Great Pyramid, with Orion and Sirius is a fact. Whether one wants to give it the interpretation placed on it by Hancock et al is another matter. Orion (associated with Osiris) and Sirius had great significance for the Egyptians, even at the time of the pyramids...as evidenced by the pyramid texts.

Personally , I don't believe in advanced pre-dynastic cultures but there is growing evidence, both within Egypt and at other sites, that pre-conceptions about early neolithic cultures may have to be revisited.

In particular, their interest in astronomy.

[FarleyFlavors]

In a very rare climb down, the BBC were forced to concede that their editing of various parts of the programme left a lot to be desired.

Not "various parts". Of the ten complaints to the Broadcasting Standards Commission, only one minor complaint was upheld.

Crucially, complaints that the programme presented Hancock as "an intellectual fraudster who had put forward half baked theories and ideas in bad faith, and that he was incompetent to defend his own arguments" and that "the programme had created a 'strong implication' that [Bauval's] theory was a 'con'" weren't upheld.

Synopsis of the adjudication here, if you're interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... psis.shtml

Since the Broadcasting Standards Commision found that Hancock and Bauval were judged to have been treated unfairly in this programme, the BBC were compelled by the Commission to change the original programme and broadcast a second programme.

No, they weren't. They were only obliged to broadcast a brief apology. Since the BSC had found that the programme was mostly fair in its demolishing of their crackpot theories, the BBC themselves offered to make the minor change required to allow it to be rebroadcast.

The version I posted above is the amended one.

[Who2]

The business card I presented to The Prat had a picture on it of The Great Pyramid being struck by many bolts of lightning,
computer enhanced obviously.
I had nicked it off the cover of one of Hand&cocks' books.

At a Tardis party once Lorraine Evans whispered in my ear,
'don't dare give Graham one of your business cards, so I wrote our web-site on a Rizla paper...

[newcastle]

I concede, FF, that my description of the BSC/BBC interplay regarding the Horizon programme, based as it was on newspaper reports at the time, does not accurately reflect the BSC ruling.

I agree there was only one small amendment when the programme was re-broadcast.

Nevertheless, the tenor of the programme is, in my view, one of a deliberate "hatchet-job" rather than any serious attempt to refute the ideas proposed (certainly...as far as Bauval's Orion alignment hypothesis is concerned) . Personally...I think the BBC let themselves down. The reference to the constellation Leo and Manhattan being but one example of snide mockery substituting for rational debate.

You've made it plain that you have no time for theories of technologically advanced societies pre-dating the known civilisations and, on that, we're in total agreement! The topic has rather wandered away from where I was trying to steer it....namely pre-dynastic cultures in Egypt.

I believe there is evidence for existence of earlier civilisations whose interest and knowledge of astronomy fed through to the Egyptians post 3000BCE. Nor do I think the Orion alignment of the pyramids has been absolutely refuted....not yet!