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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:27 pm
by Bearded Brian
Whilst setting up the red flowers I noticed these rain drops on the lily.

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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:39 pm
by Kiya
There dosen't seem to be a happy medium with these reds as you say we adjust 1 colour then the other colours adjust automatically with it. I've tried all sorts in PS to no avail with the deep reds :(

I checked all the "menus" on my camera for "colour effects"...nothing! the only thing similar showing is "Colour Space" which gives me the choice of "Adobe RGB" or "sRGB"... reading my manual it advises to use Adobe RGB whish I've stuck to...........if I remember rightly it best suits the colour spectrum.

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:42 pm
by Kiya
BB Raindrops on the lillies.......fantastic shots........was it with your magnifier again?

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:32 pm
by LovelyLadyLux
BB - loverly shots of the water drops on the lilies......BEAUTIFUL! If the sun comes out here today I'm heading outside with my water bottle in hand to see what I can douse to get that same water drops effect. And honest I never realized water drops are so round! (Not sure what I ever thought they were but amazing how round they are).

I agree with the reds and I've done similar to trying to view the reds on different Medium to make sure it wasn't just my computer. I've fiddled with my camera and editing too but still not getting them to come out as I see them. This wouldn't bother me too much just that I think "I" see the colour as better than what the camera is capturing.

Photo ON!!!!!!!!

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:46 pm
by Bearded Brian
Kiya yes they were taken with the 8x magnifier.

LLL I think they are rounder than normal because they are on a curved surface - if they were on a flat surface they would be flatter themselves.

As both of you have played around with the Reds and appear to have the same results as I do I'll see if google etc comes up with anything.

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:21 am
by LovelyLadyLux
Ahh - never thought about the drops being 'round cause they were on a curve but makes sense to me.

The first rose below was a deep deep red but this is how it turned out.

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These roses were really a different colour - lavendars BUT this photo turned out with colours very true to what my eye saw.....

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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:27 pm
by Kiya
LLL same problem with me, the deep reds come out way to bright but all other colours OK!

Come on Horus give us your input with this problem of deep reds ?

NIGHT SCENES

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:17 pm
by Kiya
I thought I would try my hand at some "night scenes" using "manual" only & without flash.
Went out & around town just before midnight on Friday (crazy huh?) had to wait till it was really dark.
The boats & church using natural light from the street (no flash) & the candle photo taken in my kitchen with no lights & no flash.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:45 pm
by LovelyLadyLux
OHHHHH WOWWWW - your night photos were well worth it Kiya even if you were out and about at midnight! The church is absolutely lovely as is the boat and your candles as well. You did all this on manual too.....hmmmm very interesting but you've achieved terrific effects.

I'm with you too - am waiting for the great photo gurus on here to tell me the secret to the "reds" cause I'm sure getting some washed out red colours. None of the other seem to be as way out either - just the reds. Course this could be a secret as deep and hidden as what is really in the pyramids!!!! ;););)

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:46 pm
by LovelyLadyLux
OHHHHH WOWWWW - your night photos were well worth it Kiya even if you were out and about at midnight! The church is absolutely lovely as is the boat and your candles as well. You did all this on manual too.....hmmmm very interesting but you've achieved terrific effects.

I'm with you too - am waiting for the great photo gurus on here to tell me the secret to the "reds" cause I'm sure getting some washed out red colours. None of the other seem to be as way out either - just the reds. Course this could be a secret as deep and hidden as what is really in the pyramids!!!! ;););)

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:12 pm
by Horus
Nice pictures Kiya, difficult to get a good night shot with lights without blurring the source of the light. Love the church picture :) very crisp with a nice black sky.

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:18 pm
by Horus
"Problems with Red"

As this is a very complicated subject I will probably regret trying to answer it, but here goes. :roll:

First off remember that everything you see either on your camera or on your PC monitor is the result of digitally encoding information. Basically your camera records a set of instructions that tells other devices what it was that it saw when you pressed the button.

All colours can be made by mixing the three primary colours of Red, Green & Blue although it requires the addition of Magenta & Cyan to give the full range of what we would call True Colour. What we mean by this is that it has a depth of 24-bits per pixel and a total of 16.7 million colours.

Digital cameras use known colour profiles to generate their images. The most common is sRGB or Adobe RGB. This along with all of the other camera data is stored in the Exif header of the Jpeg file. This Colour Space information gives the graphic programs and printers a reference to the colour profile that the camera used at the time of taking the exposure. In other words it supplies the relevant code information to view the picture

Digital images approximate the realism of the colour and the process is referred to as colour depth, bit or pixel depth. Most computers can display the same number of colours that the human eye can discern, about 16 million.

Most cameras, monitors, printers and scanners usually come with a driver disc for Windows and Mac systems that includes ICC profiles for that particular device.
The International Colour Consortium (ICC) sets the standard guidelines for colour management in the imaging world. Again simply put, Colour Profiles allow one piece of hardware or software to know how another device has created its colours and the way they should be interpreted or reproduced.

A good example is Epson’s Print Image Matching (or PIM) which is a standard of embedded colour printing information for digital cameras that is added to the Exif header of the picture.

Colour Balance. Is the accuracy with which the colours captured in the image, match the original scene.

RAW files store the unprocessed image data directly from the camera's imaging chip to its memory. RAW image files must be processed with special software before they can be viewed or printed, often they come with the camera software or programs such as Photoshop.
With RAW files you have the ability to alter the white balance, exposure value, colour values, contrast, brightness and sharpness as you see fit before you convert this data into the standard JPEG or TIFF format.

So as you can see there are many reasons for you to see one thing with your eye, another with your camera and a different picture on a monitor or when printed or scanned. As I said in the beginning, it is all down to digital information being recorded and then decoded by different devices, similar to a person trying to describe all the colours in a picture to another person who has to paint it without looking at the scene.
Although everyone is working to the same standard there will be some variations, as the old saying goes “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and so is colour. The wonderful Water Lily paintings by ‘Monet’ were probably the result of him having cataracts in later life and not realising that the colours he was using were not what he intended to paint, but to his eyes it looked OK.

All cameras will behave differently and I am afraid that some colours especially ‘red’ will always give problems, have you ever tried getting a good picture of Bluebells? now they are a problem!

I do find that bright sunlight often gives varying reds, so a bit of shading helps, otherwise its back to adjusting your colour via the old PC.

Well those are my thoughts on the subject, but I am sure that someone more knowledgeable can add to this. :D

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:07 am
by LovelyLadyLux
Excellent explanation H! Appreciate the insight. I've kinda figured that the camera takes a photo and it could the laptop that wasn't bringing out the 'true' colour but hmmm - much more complex as I can see from your answer. I do wish the 'reds' would come true(r) cause some of the deep deep reds of roses are just sooooo wonderful. Be great to capture them. Am sure I'm going to keep trying! :):):)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:02 am
by Kiya
I agree LLL Great Explanation...thanks Horus :) like LLL have to keep trying!!!!

RAW files store the unprocessed image data directly from the camera's imaging chip to its memory. RAW image files must be processed with special software before they can be viewed or printed, often they come with the camera software or programs such as Photoshop.
With RAW files you have the ability to alter the white balance, exposure value, colour values, contrast, brightness and sharpness as you see fit before you convert this data into the standard JPEG or TIFF format.

When I took my "Night Scene" photos by pure accident I took them using "Raw" I only realised my accident when I uploaded them when I saw 2 of each photo....1 as .cra (raw) & .jpeg..... PS Elements 7 let me open the raw & did some work on it as mentioned above but when it came to save it I could only save it as .dng (whatever that is??)

So far I haven't uploaded the software for "Raw Images" I guess I'm a bit worried after Grandad's computer problems when he uploaded his new camera software.

Also roll on September when my college starts this course will be working with Raw Imaging & software.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:37 pm
by Bearded Brian
Kiya - love the picture of the church.

Here's my contribution for tonight. As usual the first picture is as taken and then cropped. All using the 8x magnifier in overcast and windy conditions.

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The larger one was taken on a sweetpea leaf and the smaller one on a sweetpea bud.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:12 pm
by bigken
Plenty of great photos from you people :) , so i had a little play in the garden yesterday while her ladyship applied the final coat of paint to her face, no macro or magnifier filters so i used my 70-300

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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:35 pm
by Kiya
Great close up shots BB & BK :) , I don't think I could stay around them bees long enough to take a good photo...
And BB could you warn us the next time its spiders we're about to see omg you see em beady eyes staring! :o

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:20 pm
by Horus
Kiya,
Digital Negative (DNG) is an open RAW image format file type that is owned by Adobe.
Most people are under the illusion that RAW files are all the same, but they are not!

A (RAW) file will essentially contain all of the unprocessed data for the picture you have taken and therefore each camera and manufactures information will be a little different from each other, some camera manufacturers will even encrypt part of the picture file, but all of them will be called a RAW file prior to the information being edited in some way. Once you have modified the RAW information it will become something else i.e. JPEG or whatever format your device uses to save files.

The Adobe DNG file is an attempt to standardise the RAW format by adding some data that is not camera dependant, so for all intent and purpose, it is still a RAW file, hope this helps to explain it.

Brian, More great close ups :)

Bigken, great Bumble Bee pictures :) Now what is the name of that plant they are feeding on? If you take a look at my last little effort over on the Photography 2 thread, you will see that I used pictures that I took of the same flower that I found growing wild :) but for the life of me I don't know what it is called, is it a type of Sea Holly?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:44 pm
by bigken
Echinops ritio - globe thistle

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:55 pm
by Horus
Ta! :D