Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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Re: Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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had my flight at 0620 to cairo next Thursday cancelled today. I have now been put on a flight on Wednesday night and a hotel in cairo airport before my flight at 0845 to manchester


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Re: Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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all this complaining about the direct flight being cancelled

Egyptair are a business run to make PROFIT
as was said a few weeks ago there were 16(?) on a direct flight - this must be a loss to the company
so the Management will stop the route and provide an alternative

the same with Easyjet - the flight to Luxor would be half full and the one to Hurghada would be half full - so they combined the two to make one full plane and there will always be people going to Hurghada as within FCO advise so the Luxor flight gets dropped

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Re: Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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JohnB wrote:I checked my booking online and noticed that Egyptair have cancelled the direct Luxor-London (and thus I assume London-Luxor) flight this Monday July 8th, routing is now via Cairo. My existing reservation was automatically changed (although I was not notified).

John.
If you have booked your flight direct with Egyptair they usually telephone you with any alterations, and follow this up by emailing a new ticket.

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I was checking for the direct flight for my Spring Break in Luxor, and the Direct LHR/LXR/LHR flight is not listed on the Egyptair website until April2014. I certainly hope they will have a change of heart.



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Re: Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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arrived in luxor Monday 30th sept at 11pm flight was 1 hour late leaving heathrow so we actually were run through the airport like idiots with the staff shouting at us to run quickly,xray security searched our handluggage at 2 checkpoints even though we had no time to breathe never mind anything else, finally arrived safely but shattered and im praying the return is easier :ni:
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Re: Egyptair direct to LHR not running this Monday

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Kim wrote:we actually were run through the airport like idiots with the staff shouting at us to run quickly,xray security searched our handluggage at 2 checkpoints even though we had no time to breathe never mind anything else
I have been rushed through passport control and security in Cairo when my plane from Luxor was cancelled and the following one delayed. It was announced on the domestic plane that transit passengers to Heathrow, Copenhagen and a few others were expected and would make it in time. As I entered Terminal 3, a man on top of the escalator shouted: "Copenhagen?", I gave him a sign and he escorted me. They were waiting for me before closing the gate. I call that service.

My bags were delivered at my door step next day. Egyptair is part of Star Alliance.

All the years that I did not have the luxury of direct flights to and from Cairo, I had very little time in Zürich (well from Copenhagen to Cairo I had a whole night there) and once my Swiss flight from Cairo was late, I ran through security etc in Zürich and would have made it, if they had not decided to take me off the passengers list and I had to spend the night. I did not mind, as Swiss gave me a very comfortable hotel room, transfer, dinner and breakfast, but Egyptair took better care of their transit passengers.

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even the luggage made it Bennu, we looked so funny running through the airport with everyone shouting "Luxor" and waving their hands I am just happy no-one knew us :oops:
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Can any one tell me who took over the old BMI slot at Cairo,................... looks like a job for Bombay.
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A-Four wrote:Can any one tell me who took over the old BMI slot at Cairo,................... looks like a job for Bombay.

BA I think.
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This was one of the BMI Routes that BA had to to give up so BA still have only the 1 daily flight.
I did read that easyJet were allocated flights to Cairo by the CAA a while back but have not started fights as yet, no idea why :dun:
The BMI slot was originally a B Med route to Alex which was dropped and the flight moved to Cairo when BMI took over as they were a Star Alliance member along with Egyptair who now operate 2 daily flights to LHR the second of which is the same time as the BMI flight used to depart.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 41205.html

Cairo, Egypt - When executives at EasyJet heard they had won their bid to establish the first ever low-cost air link between the UK and Cairo, the mood at the company's headquarters was buoyant.

The British company - one of Europe's leading budget airlines - had beaten off tough competition from British Airways and BMI to fly the recently expanded route, with UK officials warming to EasyJet's trumpeting of greater competition and better customer value.

All the treasures of Egypt's lucrative tourism market were in the company's sights.

But that was then. Fast-forward two-and-a-half years, and Cairo International Airport has yet to welcome a single EasyJet passenger.

The company's Middle East expansion planners, who intended to build upon established links to Israel and Jordan, have stumbled upon the reality of doing business in post-revolutionary Cairo - a place where power bases are constantly shifting, and where habits nurtured under decades of authoritarianism are proving hard to kill.

The immediate cause for the delay lies with the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authority (ECAA), the country's state-run regulator.

Despite negotiating a pre-revolution deal with the British government back in 2010 to add an extra three return flights per week between Egypt and the UK, officials working for the ECAA have so far refused to grant permission for EasyJet to land at Cairo.

Mohamed Ibrahim Sherif, head of the ECAA, told Al Jazeera the reason was a simple matter of policy consistency.

"We don't let any low cost carriers fly into Cairo airport," he said. "If you read your history of low cost airlines, they were not established to work from national airports."

Turbulent deal

The bilateral agreement signed between the British and the Egyptians in 2010 - a formality for new international air routes - did not include any stipulations about whether the eventual carrier would be "low cost" or not.

But according to British and Egyptian officials who have been working to untangle the impasse, such an explanation masks the full reasons behind the ECAA's reticence.

The reality has not only exposed ministerial infighting and starkly divergent visions of Egypt's economic future, but also the lingering influence of the military establishment over some of the nation's key business sectors.

Hisham Zazou, the minister of tourism, has actively been trying to encourage EasyJet's entry into Cairo's aviation market. Expounding the virtues of deregulation, he said the extra 2,160 visitors each month anticipated by the company would be a welcome boost to a sagging tourism sector.

But he said the ECAA was refusing to budge because of its desire to protect Egypt Air, the state-owned national flag carrier. "Egypt Air is not ready for the competition," Zazou told Al Jazeera. "In their opinion, they will lose market share, and that will mean more losses for the company."

Egypt Air is not ready for the competition. In their opinion, they will lose market share, and that will mean more losses for the company.

Hisham Zazou, minister of tourism

In March, Minister of Civil Aviation Wael el-Maddawy revealed that Egypt Air had recorded losses of more than half a billion pounds ($71bn) since the Egyptian revolt in January 2011. He also said of the company's 36,000 employees worldwide, some 20,000 were surplus to requirements.

His comments touched upon the key criticisms levelled against the national carrier - that it represents a bygone era of state monopolies, and is in desperate need of modernisation.

"Egypt Air is driving us crazy," said Mohamed Osman, vice-chairman of the Egyptian Tourism Federation. "I think they have a lot of people working for them who they don't need."

Mohamed Ibrahim Sherif denied the ECAA was trying to protect Egypt Air from budget competition. But he did say if officials allowed EasyJet into Cairo, then the floodgates would open for other low-cost airlines in the region.

Some economists have questioned whether, given the fragility of Egypt's economy, it would be wise to expose Egypt Air to the mercies of the market.

"People have been saying for some time that the Egypt Air monopoly should be broken up," said Heba Handoussa, a Cairo-based analyst from the Economic Research Forum. "I think that was true when there was high growth, before the revolution, and it made sense to bring in competition. But right now, it is not a good idea to consider."

Having the right connections

The men who run the country's civil aviation industry all hail from the military - a tradition that has persisted for many years, and is mirrored in other areas of government. The current minister of civil aviation is a former air force officer, as is ECAA chief Sherif.

"The people in civil aviation feel very strongly about their turf," said Handoussa. "In the past, more often than not, it was an officer who was minister of civil aviation, so he could use his muscle to keep out competition."

The business dealings of Egypt's officers, with their extensive interests in everything from water production and textiles to tourism and cement manufacturing, have long been shrouded in secrecy - a legacy that looks set to continue, following the approval of the constitution in December 2012.

Mubarak always felt that army officers were the only ones in Egypt with any management abilities.

Mahmoud e-Gamal, economist

Critics have argued that the new national charter effectively shields the military from civilian oversight, delegating questions of the military budget to the National Defence Council - half of which is comprised of army officers.

"Mubarak always felt that army officers were the only ones in Egypt with any management abilities," said Egyptian economist Mahmoud el-Gamal. "The problem, of course, is that cushy positions for retired military personnel are part of the authoritarian bargain to ensure loyalty to the regime."

In the original bid submitted by EasyJet, the company applied for the right to operate three return flights a week between London Gatwick and Cairo.

In addition to British Airways, the now defunct BMI also submitted an application to run the route and a hearing was conducted by the UK Civil Aviation Authority in September 2010.

EasyJet bosses argued that a low-cost option was necessary to break the existing duopoly of British Airways and BMI.

They also claimed their return fare to the Egyptian capital would be nearly half the price of their competitors.

Paul Moore, communications director for EasyJet, told Al Jazeera that executives were confident the Gatwick-Cairo link would eventually be up and running, adding the company had encountered similar concerns from other governments regarding the protection of state-owned airlines.

He said efforts to get Egyptian officials to change their minds were now focused on "diplomacy".
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