Ancient Egyptian texts describe shapeshifting Jesus

[Aromagician]

Was Jesus capable of shapeshifting? This Egyptian Coptic texts recently deciphered claims so

http://news.discovery.com/history/relig ... 130313.htm

The reason for Judas using a kiss

In the canonical bible the apostle Judas betrays Jesus in exchange for money by using a kiss to identify him leading to Jesus' arrest. This apocryphal tale explains that the reason Judas used a kiss, specifically, is because Jesus had the ability to change shape.

"Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him (Jesus), for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..." This leads Judas to suggest using a kiss as a means to identify him. If Judas had given the arresters a description of Jesus he could have changed shape. By kissing Jesus Judas tells the people exactly who he is. [Religious Mysteries: 8 Alleged Relics of Jesus]

This understanding of Judas' kiss goes way back. "This explanation of Judas' kiss is first found in Origen (a theologian who lived A.D. 185-254)," van den Broek writes. In his work, Contra Celsum the ancient writerOrigen, stated that "to those who saw him he did not appear alike to all."

[LivinginLuxor]

In other words, in order to escape capture, he often wore a disguise!

[Aromagician]

Changing skin colour? Not sure they had great make up artists in those days.

[Dusak]

Make-up artists? Yes they did, from the Romans.

[A-Four]

If you pardon the expression here, it is very difficult to explain a one picsal, without looking at the whole photograph.

Its almost like an author of a book, who in the first chapter ask you to assume something that you know is totally flawed, yet will base the whole book, on the initial rubbish statement.

I will come back to this in a couple of days.

[Aromagician]

Well this seems to insinuate more than just a cosmetic job, from young to Old?
Does not appear alike to all?
Sounds very magical and mystical to me.
Either that or there was more than one? A collective perhaps...

Some people have the ability to change their appearance, and I will add here that often people who channel entities or other beings often their appearance changes whilst they are channeling them. Maybe the Christs energy created a different look?

The same document also says he could make himself invisible. That would require more than make up eh Stan?
But shapeshifting is not the only superpower the ancient manuscript attributes to Jesus - it also says that he could even turn himself invisible.
It claims that on the night before his crucifixion, Jesus ate dinner with Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect who decided his sentence - who, it is said, remarkably offered his son to be crucified in place of the Messiah.
Jesus declined the offer, explaining that if he could escape from his fate if he wanted to.
'Pilate, then, looked at Jesus and, behold, he became incorporeal: He did not see him for a long time,' the text says.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z2jI3iKTLg

Now many of the Egyptiam Gods were also shapeshifters werent they? In animal form or human depending on the role they were in at the time. So maybe , it "Used to be" more common place than it is now..

On the same page it has another manuscript that talks about Jesus wife

[Aromagician]

So how does he shapeshift?
This shaman site here offers an explanation on how to shapeshift
http://www.shamanswell.org/shaman/shapeshifting

"A shapeshifter is one who manipulates their aura or energy field to access a higher or inner power in order to grow and learn. All shapeshifting occurs on an energy level. If everything is broadcasting its own energy pattern and if you could match and rebroadcast the same pattern, then you would take on the appearance and qualities of the thing you were matching. The only constraining factor is the degree of belief, connection, and energy. Learning to shift your consciousness, to align with and adapt your energies to power animals, opens your heart and mind to the wisdom and strength of the animal world. You must empty yourself so that spirit may embody you. "Become like a hollow bone," a Lakota elder once advised me in the sweat lodge.
"

Now isnt that what jesus did with Christ, and if Christ is the divine, he must also be present in everybody and everybody in him. so perhaps could easily access other energies?

[Aromagician]

Now why is it that these type of magical qualities arent mentioned in the bible?

Is it because later in time, such qualities were attributed only to witches and warlocks? ( i,e native shamans and healing women) so they could be burnt at the stake? Giving more power to institutional religion rather than individual divine powers?
Creating more control and money to be channeled to one place ( church?)

If Jesus was known to do similar things, then how could they be wrong or symptoms of demonic possession?

[LivinginLuxor]

There are several references to his wife - even one in the expurgated gospels. Traditionally, it was to the host of the wedding party ie the groom, to provide the wine. The Cana wedding feast was probably his, if he actually existed! The problem lies with Paul, the mysogynist creator of what we know as Pauline Christianity today.

[Aromagician]

After the conversation with A4 about AmenhotepIII and divine succession, and shapeshifting Jesus, a concept is forming in my mind.

Some Indian teachings ( from India) say that all the Gods exist within your body. In fact a different god usually presides over a various center or chakra.

Egyptian mythology, also has the journey through the body ( Nut?) And there is the temple of Luxor, that is often called the temple of man, because it is shaped like the human body. So also infers that the Gods exist within the body.

Many religions have the comparison of the great mother, being the unconscious mind, the underworld, and the father being the sky, the higher consciousness, but all being "within us as well."

Soooooo, does this mean that if someone has divine realisation, that the Gods within them are awakened and manifest PERHAPS PHYSICALLY WITHIN THAT PERSON? Transforming them into the God at that time? Depending on who was in charge of the body at that time, his appearance may be altered
If Jesus became the Christ, perhaps Christs family was there also...


I once knew a woman who "channeled" several different beings. Her physical appearance did alter including voice etc depending on who was " present" at the time.

[Alistair1967]

For someone on the run from the authorities, it might be quite natural to use a variety of disguises.

[A-Four]

Just got back home after busy couple of days, so will ask you, Aromagician,.......how do you view the transfiguration of Christ?

Hope to write more on this subject tomorrow evening before effects me.

I also need to add further comment on Amenhotep lll

[Aromagician]

Well exactly. Just googled transfiguration... says his face changed appearance his clothes became white and moses and elijah appeared.
So shapeshifting and summoning dead spirits. Very shamanic indeed

[A-Four]

I have always thought that any one who studies the life and times of Jesus Christ, must have a very solid ground knowledge of history, local law, Jewish law of that time, Jewish religious laws, not to mention various sects. Roman law with regards to client kings, being the sons of Herod the Greater. (We in the West know this man as Herod the Great, though in truth, this was to distinguish him from his sons who were also all called Herod.) A sound knowledge of the geography, of the various COUNTRIES that made up the land, of what we call present day Israel. (Israel, that is what we call Galilee today, and Judea, were two separate countries at most of time of Jesus, not to mention the others that surrounded them.)

At quite short notice, all these above element could change, and that is why the subject of Jesus has been contested throughout time, then we have what we call 'lost in translation', that is a mine-field in itself, and will show this by one of Aromagician's above statements. Egyptology can be quite difficult for a beginner, with various names of Pharaohs, even the word alone here, many think it means king, that is why when I write on here, I try not to 'loose' people. With all that I have written above, lets enter the Jesus 'mine-field'.

In Jerusalem, during any feast day, the city would be swamped with people, all Jews, but from different 'countries' that made up present day Israel, it is well documented that they wore garments that identified them from other various regions, a sort of civic pride, one might say. On any other day we would also find this different garment dress form, Pharisee, Sadducee, Zadokites, Manasseh, Essenes, etc, etc. It was a crazy way of expressing social elitism. It is my belief here that Jesus was not too particular which social group he entered into to gain support throughout all Jewish sects to unite and defeat the enemy,.......Rome, or when written down in code, in text such as those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, were called the Kitten. We can easily see from the Gospels, Jesus mixed in all circles, even the most hated Samaria, he came across (who thought themselves as more orthodox Jews, than the Jews of the Temple), and taught this to his own people,....'the Good Samaritan'.

With the transfiguration of Christ, as we see this, this is how we would see a present day King or Queen of England being anointed, by the highest priest in the land. What we see with Jesus, is that it is God HIMSELF that has anointed Jesus, and from now on, he is to be ONE WITH GOD. In other words the new High Priest of the Temple of Jerusalem, and dressing himself in a shimmering silk and gold garment. The reason for this is quite simple, his cousin John the Baptist, believed himself to be the new future High Priest of the Temple, hence, baptism in the Jordan, when pilgrims from Galilee, came down to Jerusalem for Passover,and Jesus was to become the King David of a new United Kingdom.

When the Baptist was executed, Jesus moved in rank to become the future new High Priest, so Aromagician, I hear you ask, who becomes the new King David, being that under ancient Jewish law you could not be both ? Actually, the answer lies in your own written work here, you mention Pilots son in exchange for Jesus's life. During the trial of Jesus, we come across a character called Barabbas, we later find in scriptures that his full name is Jesus Barabbas which translates to Hebrew means Jesus son of the Lord (or Father.) In other words if the rebellion at the same time as Jesus was up turning the tables in the Temple, had been successful then Barabbas would have become the new King David.

It is my belief here that Jesus escaped, his son was caught, and the Romans offered to release his son if Jesus gave himself up. Jesus sent his most trusted disciple Judas (remember his name alone, Iscariot tells all) to prove an exchange would take place,.......................enough said.

[Aromagician]

Hmm interesting theory A4. It would make sense that he would have children if he had a wife.

But I think this particular document said it was Judas son, not Jesus.
Unless it is indeed lost in translation.