The importance of the Pryamids.

[Frater0082]

I was wondering to myself lately. If the pryamids are so part of the Ancient Egyptian culture and so important then why wasn't Giza the center of all the attention. I was beginning to think that the Pryamids didn't have nothing to do with the Kings and queens that came after them.

I mean Karnak was the most important religious site afterwards and Thebes was the capital of worship. It makes me wonder alot about Giza. Just how important was this site to the later kings of Egypt.

[Horus]

Throughout Egypt’s long history many places had prominence depending upon who was ruling and the political situation at the time. Some places like Abydos and Karnak seemed to retain their importance throughout Egyptian history, Thebes (Karnak) was ultimately the seat of the priesthood, but whenever that power was challenged as in the case of Akhenaten then they also suffered a downturn in their fortunes. To put things into perspective, the last ruler of Egypt Cleopatra, was closer in time to us in the 21st century than she was to the builders of the Great Pyramids, so it would be like some modern day Brits revering the Stone Henge circle even though it has little to do with our current religious beliefs.

[Bullet Magnet]

An excellent question Frater, but with no simple answer sadly, especially regarding the establish(ed)-ment.

I could drop hints, like "lost technology" and a "coiled snake", but I doubt that would help much.

Let's see what 2017 brings....

[Frater0082]

Yes, because this year was not a good one, just too much going on out here.

[Bullet Magnet]

I thought 2016 was quite a good year, nothing unexpected happened....

Did I not say that there was going to be major celestial event occurring by the end of the Summer Solstice. ?
and what happened on June 23rd ? a star left a constellation.
(think about a ring of gold stars)

As for Trump getting into power, even the Simpsons predicted that one years ago.....




Still, they don't call it the Greatest Show on Earth for nothing !
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Life that is, not the Simpsons...

[Bullet Magnet]

Hopefully this will point you in the right direction Frater.

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It does somewhat go against the Academia but the establishment has a lot to hide from us for whatever reason that may be.

The Pyramids do still perform a function, they serve as a reminder....

I hope that in the coming years, maybe even in 2017, the middle east will open up, and then that will lead us to the truth about Egypt.




Out of curiosity, did you ever watch the original Planet of the Apes film ?

[newcastle]

By curious coincidence BM, I have been spending my Christmas reading (in some cases re-reading) some of Robert Bauval's output on Egypt's ancient origins, interspersed by various YouTube documentaries.

I don't understand why mainstream egyptology is so reluctant to accept his fundamental thesis that the pharaonic civilisation, conventionally dated from around 3000 BCE, had its roots in much earlier stone age cultures originating in the deep desert area of SW Egypt.

Maybe it's still their antithesis to the idea of "black origins"?

His idea that the pyramids have planned stellar orientation, influenced heavily by the constellation Orion, and the star Sirius, seem unarguably borne out by astronomical data.

The idea that the structures of the Giza pyramids, and even the earlier stone structures at Saqqara, could have just '"popped into ancient minds" is extraordinary. They must surely have been influenced by a previous culture, or cultures.

When you consider the technical achievements of moving such huge blocks of stone.....placing them with precision we'd be hard put to match nowadays...

There's growing evidence of pre-dynastic structures at Giza, and elsewhere which will hopefully be investigated in calmer times.

I don't buy into any theories of extra-terrestrial influences...rather than the fact that the Nile inhabitants were seeded from desert societies far more advanced culturally (if not technologically) than many egyptologists are prepared to concede.

[Bullet Magnet]

There is a "force" that we have never really exploited or studied in depth, and it does not require much power to operate this force.
This force is capable of great things, but in the wrong hands it is also capable of great destruction, which I do believe is what happened in our past.
So, we lost the toys and had to start all over again in a more "controlled" manner.
We are always aware of this force during our waking hours, and I accidentally stumbled upon the idea when I was at one of the West Bank temples.
Think of Petra in Jordan, or indeed this mostly unheard of place.. Chisels and Hammers ? really ?


ALL other pyramids are the later ones, you can clearly see the technology decline as the knowledge was being lost.

regarding Black people, well, if mankind was seeded in Africa, to make the skin black to protect them from the power of the Sun. We are not here by accident or evolution, there is a higher intelligence involved, of that I have no doubt, wether or not you want to call them Aliens is another matter. We were closer to our creators a long time ago, but now we are no longer their children ....
Metaphors, gotta love em...

Like the Crucifixion of that Non entity Jesus, why was he crucified on a hill shaped like a skull... ?
Religion, sadly it was a necessary evil..... The time is up now, to our so called quarantine, it is being resisted though. Syria is relevant by the way.
Sorry for the ambiguity, what I say will make sense soon.

Did you ever read Childhoods end by Arthur C Clarke ?
I also saw a recent film of the same, I was reluctant to watch it, but it was worth it just to see the look on Karellen's face.. Oh and the fact that the revelation only took 15 years instead of 50. !

[Horus]

If you visit Petra you Will find no mystery as to how it was built, very soft sandstone and everything carved out from the top down, think sand sculptures on a beach. Also the biblical crucifixion site was not shaped like a skull, the name Golgotha means "the place of the skull"

[Bullet Magnet]

If you visit Petra you Will find no mystery as to how it was built, very soft sandstone and everything carved out from the top down, think sand sculptures on a beach. Also the biblical crucifixion site was not shaped like a skull, the name Golgotha means "the place of the skull"

Perfect comeback Horus.

Golgatha does as you correctly state mean place of the Skull, and to Err' is Human. But the analogy remains the same...

Therefore, do you think that all these monuments and inscriptions were carved by hand, ? not a single error ?
Even modern engravers deploy machines and technology because they are deadly accurate and much faster.

[newcastle]

I'm sure if one looked long enough and hard enough, there are plenty of errors & inaccuracies in the ancients' constructions.

Whilst it is difficult to imagine how they pounded out megalithic blocks from bedrock, shaped them very precisely...they very clearly did. And not only in Egypt and the middle east. Mesoamericans and the Chinese were also competent with megaliths.

The Greeks and Romans were skilled both in building construction and carving statuary.

One day better evidence may turn up explaining the techniques used for both cutting and moving blocks of stone weighing many tonnes. I don't think we have to infer supernatural forces, evidence for which is even more absent!

ALL other pyramids are the later ones, you can clearly see the technology decline as the knowledge was being lost.

It's not that technology declined. The economic circumstances of the state, the environment and the realisation that there were better things to do with their time and effort played a role.

Where archaeologists are having to revise their thinking is in the time frame over which neolithic man was doing this. Sites like Gobekli Tepe and even Napta Playa in Egypt are forcing us to push back the commencement of such activity by several millennia.

regarding Black people, well, if mankind was seeded in Africa, to make the skin black to protect them from the power of the Sun. We are not here by accident or evolution, there is a higher intelligence involved, of that I have no doubt, wether or not you want to call them Aliens is another matter. We were closer to our creators a long time ago, but now we are no longer their children ...

Well....we'll just have to differ on this one BM I'm a scientist and find the evolution of life (if not its origins) irrefutably proved by science. How a replicating molecule first came into being still requires explanation....but I expect we'll get there eventually.

What I find most unconvincing about "intelligent design" theories is the rather obvious fact that many aspects of living creatures were , if designed by someone, then designed by a person who was by no means "intelligent"!

[Horus]

Perfect comeback Horus

Not a comeback at all BM, merely stating some facts, just because you have a theory does not mean that others will agree with it. I just happen to see no need for any special intervention in any of the great structures of the world, indeed I posted only recently in another thread what is a provable fact, that being that a gang of Irish Navvies of approximately the same workforce as estimated for building the Great Pyramid (20,000). Moved over one and a half times the volume of stone in a quarter of the time when building the first Birmingham to London Railway. Whilst I admire the skills of these ancient craftsmen and heartily agree that those skills did not just appear overnight, I see no need to atribute anything else but many hands doing repetitive jobs to complete the most awsome tasks. People often quote the myth that even today we could not build the Great Pyramid, of course we could if we wanted, we have build many other things to rival them in size, difficulty and splendour, the only thing we don't have today is the money and the labour to afford to construct them, plus of course the desire to do so.

[carrie]

I often see it quoted that it took 5 years with all the modern technology to move Abu Simbel Temples to a new position yet it took only 20 years to build the great pyramid. How the ancients did it is incredible. One of the mysteries of the pyramids that will endure.

[Horus]

You are correct Carrie, because we have no definitive answer as to how they were actually constructed there remain many different theories for this. What is certain though is that there still remain many clues as to the methods they used, the quarry sites still exist, ramps used to build other similar structures, even what they ate and where they lived. What is harder to prove is the exact method they employed because we were not there to see it being built and very little is written down, so everyone has to piece together a suitable theory. For example a ramp used to raise the blocks on the Great Pyramid would actually contain more material by volume than the pyramid itself, plus be an extraordinary length to get the correct incline for raising the blocks. However that does not say they did not use a ramp, it would have been quite short if only used to raise blocks to about half the height and some evidence of this ramp exists today. They may then have used a ramp that wrapped around the sides as it became higher, I have even read a theory that has the ramp as part of the internal construction, but who really knows. There is no actual proof that the pyramid is solid blocks, it may be that there are a lot of rubble filled areas surrounded by blocks, many English castle 'curtain' walls were built this way. There are tomb paintings that clearly show massive statues lashed to wooden sledges by thick ropes and being hauled many hundreds of men in two teams pulling the statue along and they are tiny by comparison. There is even a figure that may be interpreted as a priest standing on the front of the sledge pouring a libation, in reality it is a man lubricating the ground (maybe a track with embedded wooden logs) so that the sledge will move easily over it, its all there if we look close enough, its putting it all together that is the difficult bit.

[John Landon]

Everything is by intelligent design, and Logic make sit all work. Logic is the great separator of truth and lies.

Bring emotion into the argument, and well, that's just asking for trouble...

It may well pay to look into harmonics ( harmonies ) and the power of sonic vibration. I have nothing more to add

Now, just to fess up, John Landon was Bullet Magnet, As I said yesterday in the Elton John Post, I have no use for BM anymore.

[Horus]

Now, just to fess up, John Landon was Bullet Magnet, As I said yesterday in the Elton John Post, I have no use for BM anymore.

No need to fess up, I knew who you were, what I dont understand is the need for people to keep using multiple identities, it is against the forum rules and it confuses people, I trust you will not use the BM identity again from now on?

[John Landon]

Correct Hours. We all have our reasons for changing ID's. Mine will become apparent.

Carrie, not wishing to be too pedantic here, you do forget that Abu Simbel had to be chopped up to be relocated.
While I appreciate it was carved from the rock face, if this had been the Great Pyramid that was standing in that location, it would be under water today.
Having said that, the Giza Pyramids have seen and processed much water in their time.

[newcastle]

There has been no significant rainfall on the Giza plateau since the pyramids of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure were built approx 4,500 years ago.....and built above the flood plain of the Nile.

Maybe you're thinking of the body of the sphinx, which does show signs of water erosion consistent with it being carved some time before the pyramids, during an epoch when there was much greater rainfall in that area.

[Horus]

I fear that we are going to have the old 'Ram Pump' theory raising its head again

[newcastle]

I fear that we are going to have the old 'Ram Pump' theory raising its head again

I'm always happy to listen to theories that the pyramids are , in fact, much older than the generally accepted date.

I've yet to see any evidence that is other than fanciful whilst we have a vast and growing body of evidence consistent with a date around 2,500 BCE.

With regard to their purpose, I suppose some kind of giant water pump has greater credibility than Joseph's grain stores. the latter idea being debunked by the absence of open space!