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Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:36 am
by Horus
So it looks like Turkeys President Erdogan has narrowly won a referendum to give himself more power and as Executive President he will now replace the Parliamentary system of government in that country. Looking at how the country voted it would appear that the major cities did not vote for him and his main support was in the Anatolia region. The narrowness of the vote was similar to the Brexit vote and already there are calls for a re-run of the referendum and accusations of vote rigging from the opposition. So how do people think that this will pan out as Turkey has been slowly changed politically for a few years now, will it just be accepted or will it cause internal strife and strong opposition from those that see the country heading away from Ataturks vision for a modern Turkey.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:12 am
by Yildez
Those of us who've lived here for some years, and understand how things work, know that it's not wise to speculate/discuss such topics on a public forum. Enough said. However, I'm not thinking of activating Plan B in the near future!
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:06 pm
by newcastle
Yildez wrote:Those of us who've lived here for some years, and understand how things work, know that it's not wise to speculate/discuss such topics on a public forum. Enough said. However, I'm not thinking of activating Plan B in the near future!
Plan B presumably doesn't allude to a move to Egypt.
Apart from the weather, you'd barely notice any difference......particularly in the political scenario.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:35 pm
by newcastle
Horus wrote:So it looks like Turkeys President Erdogan has narrowly won a referendum to give himself more power and as Executive President he will now replace the Parliamentary system of government in that country. Looking at how the country voted it would appear that the major cities did not vote for him and his main support was in the Anatolia region. The narrowness of the vote was similar to the Brexit vote and already there are calls for a re-run of the referendum and accusations of vote rigging from the opposition. So how do people think that this will pan out as Turkey has been slowly changed politically for a few years now, will it just be accepted or will it cause internal strife and strong opposition from those that see the country heading away from Ataturks vision for a modern Turkey.
How do I view it? The quip "turkeys voting for Christmas" springs to mind.
I don't see it as a precursor of violent suppression of any opposition to Erdogan. That's already occurred. But I do anticipate the departure of the remaining left-leaning intellectuals which, as with Egypt, can only make for a poorer country.
Democracy is a much-abused term nowadays (think : Kim Jong Un's Democratic People's Republic of Korea) and I find some irony in the use of a democratic referendum to create, in effect, an autocracy. Still....that's what "the people" wanted...and have got. Presumably the 51% who voted "Yes" will be throwing their hats in the air while the rest should, as Brexit remoaners were told, put up and shut up
At least it will be the final nail in the coffin of any Turkish plans to join EU and if Erdogan wants to move the country towards central Asia, good luck to him. He'll be in good company.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:06 pm
by Horus
I can understand some peoples reluctance to comment and as Newcastle points out there seems to be little political difference between the two countries at the present time. I suppose that the reality is that many people living in these Middle East/near Asian countries seem to prefer the non secular to the secular forms of government as shown by popular vote and this I feel will always alienate them from the West. It will certainly diminish any chance that existed (if it ever did) of Turkey joining the EU.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:57 pm
by Who2
Makes me wonder are politically motivated people 'mad before they become elected or become mad when elected ?
Because like it or not, there are a lot of totally mad people in charge of many countries in this World.
Now, that's what people should worry about. "Absolute Power = absolute 'la la land....
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:22 pm
by Bombay
There is some quote some where about power and once you have it its not easy to give it up. There are plenty examples these days.
However Blair and Cameron gave it up and were not forced out like Maggie.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:40 pm
by newcastle
Bombay wrote:There is some quote some where about power and once you have it its not easy to give it up. There are plenty examples these days.
Africa's full of examples!
However Blair and Cameron gave it up and were not forced out like Maggie.
I think Blair was more or less "forced out"...albeit in a behind-the-scenes coup led by associates of Gordon Brown.
He opted to go with dignity rather than face a Thatcher-like debacle.
Re: Turkish Election
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:35 pm
by Zooropa
newcastle wrote:Horus wrote:So it looks like Turkeys President Erdogan has narrowly won a referendum to give himself more power and as Executive President he will now replace the Parliamentary system of government in that country. Looking at how the country voted it would appear that the major cities did not vote for him and his main support was in the Anatolia region. The narrowness of the vote was similar to the Brexit vote and already there are calls for a re-run of the referendum and accusations of vote rigging from the opposition. So how do people think that this will pan out as Turkey has been slowly changed politically for a few years now, will it just be accepted or will it cause internal strife and strong opposition from those that see the country heading away from Ataturks vision for a modern Turkey.
How do I view it? The quip "turkeys voting for Christmas" springs to mind.
I don't see it as a precursor of violent suppression of any opposition to Erdogan. That's already occurred. But I do anticipate the departure of the remaining left-leaning intellectuals which, as with Egypt, can only make for a poorer country.
Democracy is a much-abused term nowadays (think : Kim Jong Un's Democratic People's Republic of Korea) and I find some irony in the use of a democratic referendum to create, in effect, an autocracy. Still....that's what "the people" wanted...and have got. Presumably the 51% who voted "Yes" will be throwing their hats in the air while the rest should, as Brexit remoaners were told, put up and shut up
As a Brexiteer i feel that the vote makes them more compatible with the EU and its ideaology not less!
As a Brexiteer i feel the result makes them much more aligned with the EU and its ideaology!
At least it will be the final nail in the coffin of any Turkish plans to join EU and if Erdogan wants to move the country towards central Asia, good luck to him. He'll be in good company.