Luxor4u

In answer to your main question....it’s not simply a matter of the doctor’s time.

Not only is there the question of how to render the waiting room COVID- compliant...spacing etc...but the consulting room is probably small and would also have to be disinfected or whatever after each patient.

Reduced waiting capacity and excess time per patient = less availability. And, let’s face it, most GP’s were already horrendously overworked pre the pandemic.

I think I wrote elsewhere on the e-consult system operated by my surgery. I have multiple conditions on which I require medical advice/assistance from time to time and I’ve had no problem. Most queries are satisfactorily resolved by email, text or phone and there’s been no difficulty in attending the clinic when I needed to..e.g. for blood tests.

I suspect many people visit their doctor (or would do, if they could!) when it’s by no means absolutely necessary. The current situation has the advantage of sorting out priorities when the service is under pressure.

But , as in life generally, there are good operations...and not so good. Maybe I’m fortunate.

newcastle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:55 pm I suspect many people visit their doctor (or would do, if they could!) when it’s by no means absolutely necessary. The current situation has the advantage of sorting out priorities when the service is under pressure.

Wouldn't argue with that Newcastle but I am not totally convinced about GP's being SO overworked. My GP of over 30 years has just retired. He is also an anesthetist and works at the hospital several times a week, no doubt for very generous fees. Even before Covid if I wanted to make an appointment to see him specifically I may have to wait 3 weeks or more. I thought a GP worked firstly for the community. Even so I regret that he has retired because he is an excellent doctor....

The average GP has over 2000 patients on his list. Some cope with twice this.

On average, GPs are in touch with 41 patients a day either in their surgery, on a home visit, or by telephone or email. However, family doctors say they should deal with no more than 30 patients a day, in order to ensure proper care is given.

One in 10 GPs are in touch with 60 or more patients – double the safe limit – the survey found.


“GPs currently are making themselves ill in this job, and it isn’t sustainable.”

Prof Helen Stokes-Lampard, the chair of the Royal College of GPs, said: “In my own practice recently, I had a 12-hour day and 100 patient contacts.”

The profession is in the midst of a workforce crisis, with too few GPs to meet the increasing need for medical attention created by an ageing and growing population, mental ill-health and lifestyle-related conditions.

Some family doctors are retiring early due to stress and burnout, while others have reduced their hours. And although the number of trainee GPs in England is at an all-time high, many give up before their training ends.

The situation has resulted in patients having to wait longer – up to three weeks – for a consultation.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... imit-study

The COVID-19 pandemic will only have made the above figures worse.

I suspect, Grandad, that your former GP was a bit of an oddity

newcastle wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:36 am I suspect, Grandad, that your former GP was a bit of an oddity

I don't know about 'oddity' Newcastle. I do know that several other doctors in the practice have private contracts outside of the surgery. This has the effect of reducing their available surgery hours whilst really inflating their income. Maybe this is unusual compared with surgeries in much bigger cities but it is causing patients to ask why do I have to wait so long to get an appointment.

The remuneration of GPs is a complex matter but, basically, a practice, and the doctors within it, set their own hours, patient allocation etc. They are paid for treating nhs patients according to a complex formula and are generally self-employed. They can, and often do, work outside the practice for hospitals , companies, etc.

Having outside contracts could be more lucrative than nhs patients and, yes, would impact on the hours available . Your only recourse if the service from the surgery you attend in not satisfactory is to move...and that’s not easy!

The figures in the Guardian article referred to above are average stats. There will inevitably be practices where the GPs allocate less hours to nhs patients. You seem to be a victim of one.

Just away from the subject of Doctors, my wife was told when she renewed her passport, it could take upto 12 weeks due to COVID, it took in the end 19 days.... So there seems to be plenty using COVID as an excuse!

Thanks for that Newcastle. I am of an age that can remember when we would be on a doctors panel and pay (was it half a crown a week?) for the service. Your doctor really was 'Your family doctor' who knew you and was available most times of the day and did frequent house calls.......how times have changed....

The good old days hey Grandad.
When I was a child our family doctor was Dr John, Dr John had a son, young Dr John.
Young Dr John was at least 55 so how old dad was I have no idea.
Both the doctors knew all my family they knew all our medical history, never a problem getting to see them although the receptionist was a bit of a tarter. One sound out of us children in the waiting room and a look that would certainly not want you to meet her alone on a dark night.
Only one complaint about them, young Dr John had a red, open top, sports car in which he used to make home visits. Not quite the thing for a respectable doctor don't you know.

Grandad wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:04 pm Ah yes Carrie, the receptionists. At every surgery the doctors had their first line of defence with the reception dragons....

I sense you’re not a great fan of the use of online GP services but one benefit is the removal of the “inquisition” you sometime face when ringing the surgery.

Nowadays you can set out your symptoms, concerns or whatever in an email and , within a few hours, receive from your doctor written or verbal advice on what to do.

Leaves the receptionist to do what they’re best qualified for....running diaries and filing stuff!

"Nowadays you can set out your symptoms, concerns or whatever in an email and , within a few hours, receive from your doctor written or verbal advice on what to do."

Do you live in Narnia, newcastle?

Teddyboy wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:25 pm "Nowadays you can set out your symptoms, concerns or whatever in an email and , within a few hours, receive from your doctor written or verbal advice on what to do."

Do you live in Narnia, newcastle?

Nope...Poplar , London.

Maybe I’m lucky to have a 21st century surgery. I certainly give them plenty to do and have had excellent online and phone consultations. No problems whatsoever.

My GP is also able to keep lines of communication open with the various consultants I have to see from time to time. They are rather reticent about divulging their contact details

It's easier to see my Dr entering 'veggie pret at lunchtime, he certainly needs it,
he's suffering 'lockdown syndrome.
Me observing him, whilst sunning myself from outside the pub opposite...

Teddyboy wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:25 pm "Nowadays you can set out your symptoms, concerns or whatever in an email and , within a few hours, receive from your doctor written or verbal advice on what to do."

Do you live in Narnia, newcastle?

HYSTERICAL, and well worth the single malt I have just spurted out all over this screen, but what makes it even funnier, is that it come from a person you would least expect such a classic one liner. .

A-Four wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:37 pm

Teddyboy wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:25 pm "Nowadays you can set out your symptoms, concerns or whatever in an email and , within a few hours, receive from your doctor written or verbal advice on what to do."

Do you live in Narnia, newcastle?

HYSTERICAL,.........but what makes it even funnier, is that it come from a person you would least expect such a classic one liner. .

Not really. Teddyboy is known for his acerbic comments and I have to concede that was a good one.

Intellect and education will out.....not that you’d know.