It's gonna happen.

[Bullet Magnet]

I see the big wheels turning, and that is why I am not afraid of ISIS. They can go f**k themselves..

[newcastle]

Please.....call a spade a "spade".

ISIS adherents are muslims.

They are also (at least most of the fighters) men and most are of Arab decent or from muslim countries.

The fact that they carry out acts which most muslims find abhorrent does not cancel their religious affiliation.

They believe there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.

Ergo....they are muslims.

What they believe, and what they do, has, of course, no place in orthodox islam.

[Mad Dilys]

You may believe what you write but that proves nothing. I wish the real situation was as simple.

Poor Newcastle, how little you know.

[Bullet Magnet]

These so called Radical Muslims are not Muslims.
They are usually poverty stricken undereducated people who's education is little more than a bog standard primary school education who come from a Muslim country..
That does not make them Muslim any more than the recent shooters in the USA are radical Christians..

[newcastle]

You may believe what you write but that proves nothing. I wish the real situation was as simple.

Poor Newcastle, how little you know.

Care to elaborate? You have an alternative definition of 'muslim'?

Sunni ISIS say the Shi'a are not real muslims......of course they are....of a different persuasion. the sincere belief in Allah & his prophet is the definition.

The biggest mistake people make is to think these ISIS followers are simply evil per se. They are indoctrinated with a fervent belief that the world needs to be changed by whatever means. In doing so they follow their interpretation of the Islamic scriptures.

Saying they're not muslims is a) incorrect and b) totally irrelevant.

Amongst the adherents are, of course, those with a more secular agenda...power, wealth, etc. ....but the majority are on a mission which the wider muslim community needs to address and counter....somehow.

[Mad Dilys]

Newcastle,this is your opinion in the light of your personal experience, mine is not the same.

You have perfect right to your opinion and I to mine, neither will have any effect on past, present or future problems.

[newcastle]

I'm relieved to admit I've had no personal experience of ISIS.

But I do know the definition of a muslim.

Saying ISIS are not muslims is simply incorrect terminology.

They might not be the kind of muslim you know, or would like to see, and they might not interpret the scriptures in the way you, or others, accept as correct but this has no bearing on their SINCERE belief that they are acting in accordance with the directions of Allah and until you recognise this, you will never understand why they exist or how they are to be combated.

MD : If you have a different perception of what ISIS are about, I'd be interested to hear it.

[Dusak]

Of course it's gonna happen. It already has (Karnak) but at least there were enough[ police ]around to stop a guy running amok like in Tunisia.

At the risk of stating the obvious - you can't stop and search every person entering every building in every city of the world. The terrorists would love to see us go into lock down.....but it aint gonna happen. Inevitably there will be more tragedies like Tunisia but we need to keep a sense of proportion.

It's a cliche ...but the terrorist only has to be lucky once whilst the security forces have to be successful every time.

It won't stop me from conducting my life as per usual.

At least there was a taxi driver available to prevent havoc raining down upon our heads.

Everywhere changes on a daily basis and what will be, will be. Why worry and add even more stress to your lives. Go out and enjoy what you have [if here] while you can. Those that expect doom and await its arrival eagerly, usually find it, but not coming from the direction they expected.

[Who2]

If I were considering a family holiday right now I would opt for Cuba, it must be the safest place to holiday these days.
The Cuban Tourist Board should be taking advantage of the Worlds current turmoil....
Ps: The 'Prat in the Hat' talking about how safe Egypt is, how good the police are but forgets to mention without the astuteness of a humble taxi-driver a far heinous atrocity would have occurred whilst the police snoozed.

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"And we all know that Zahi never lies!

[jewel]

This sums it up well:

"Many years ago in Cairo I was giving a talk to graduate students and some of their professors at Al Azhar – the pre-eminent centre of Islamic studies and the oldest university in the world. In the discussion period, one of the students said something about “the worldwide mission of Islam”. He was very earnest, and in a typically English way I thought I would lighten the tone: “You seem to be talking about a restoration of the Caliphate!” I intended it as a sort of joke – a reductio ad absurdum of what he had been saying, because at that time I had never heard of anyone who entertained a scheme as visionary as reviving something that the Turks had got rid of early in the 20th century, and which in its Arab version had ceased to exist centuries before that. The young man put his hand on his breast, and said with a solemn intensity: “That is the dearest wish in the hearts of all of us!”.
But now everyone knows that a Caliphate is the declared ambition of Isis in Iraq and Syria. They have even appointed their Caliph. The “dearest wish” in the hearts of those students has just expressed itself in a beheading in France, suicide bombs in Kuwait, and the mass murder of British tourists on a beach in Tunisia. Mr Cameron has depicted sympathy for a Caliphate as part of the narrative of extremism.

Last week the Today programme asked some British Muslims why so many of their community are going to Syria to fight. The usual answers came – they are brainwashed, or groomed, or they have no real understanding of Islam. One old man said simply that he could not imagine why three mothers could abandon their husbands and take their nine children to a war zone. Other explanations have been offered – these young men go for sex, for money, for sadism. There have even been bizarre attempts to blame the British police for radicalising some of them......."



http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 65201.html

[Dusak]

As with most things that can be changed, all it takes is an idea, taking a different slant on things and the idea begins to grow, no matter how slowly at first, if it is popular enough and enough people can see it being of benefit to them, it will soon start to bear fruit. All these fighters have one thing in common, they have nothing better to live for, nothing to loose except their lives, an act, in their minds, that will be rewarded in heaven. You never ever see those in command, the front runners, heading the charge, its always the chaff while the wheat stay safe and yet they dictate that all are equal in the organization.

[Mad Dilys]

I wish I cold put multiple likes on your post Dusak, I completely agree.

[Scottishtourist]

I see the big wheels turning, and that is why I am not afraid of ISIS. They can go f**k themselves..

I'm actually very afraid of ISIS!
Yesterday Scotland stopped for one minute at 12 midday,to pay their respects to two Scottish couples(and all the others)killed in Tunisia shooting.
Innocent people enjoying a well deserved break.

They have come home in a wooden casket.

Mark my words BM..it could just as easily have been us!

The tendrils are spreading.And for this very reason,I'm considering another venue for my winter break.

Margate?Blackpool?
There's no such thing as cold weather..just inappropriate clothing!

[Stevepj]

As with most things that can be changed, all it takes is an idea, taking a different slant on things and the idea begins to grow, no matter how slowly at first, if it is popular enough and enough people can see it being of benefit to them, it will soon start to bear fruit. All these fighters have one thing in common, they have nothing better to live for, nothing to loose except their lives, an act, in their minds, that will be rewarded in heaven. You never ever see those in command, the front runners, heading the charge, its always the chaff while the wheat stay safe and yet they dictate that all are equal in the organization.

They have nothing better to live for? Many of them seem to come from comfortable promising backgrounds, the young man who murdered 38 at Sousse was an undergraduate engineering student. The three young women who left London for Syria were straight A students, also probably going on to be undergrads. They weren't living in hopeless poverty. What they do have in common is a fanatical belief in one particular religion.
As for IS not being Muslims? Muhammad and his companions fought battles, they conquered territories, executed POWs, destroyed idols and took the people they subdued as slaves. Sound familiar?

[Stevepj]

As with most things that can be changed, all it takes is an idea, taking a different slant on things and the idea begins to grow, no matter how slowly at first, if it is popular enough and enough people can see it being of benefit to them, it will soon start to bear fruit. All these fighters have one thing in common, they have nothing better to live for, nothing to loose except their lives, an act, in their minds, that will be rewarded in heaven. You never ever see those in command, the front runners, heading the charge, its always the chaff while the wheat stay safe and yet they dictate that all are equal in the organization.

They have nothing better to live for? Many of them seem to come from comfortable promising backgrounds, the young man who murdered 38 at Sousse was an outstanding undergraduate engineering student. The three young women who left London for Syria were straight A students, also probably going on to be undergrads. They weren't living in hopeless poverty. What they did have in common was a fanatical belief in one particular religion.
As for IS not being Muslims? Muhammad and his companions fought battles, they conquered territories, executed POWs, destroyed idols and took the people they subdued as slaves. Mohammad had his critics assassinated. Sound familiar?

[Dusak]

As with most things that can be changed, all it takes is an idea, taking a different slant on things and the idea begins to grow, no matter how slowly at first, if it is popular enough and enough people can see it being of benefit to them, it will soon start to bear fruit. All these fighters have one thing in common, they have nothing better to live for, nothing to loose except their lives, an act, in their minds, that will be rewarded in heaven. You never ever see those in command, the front runners, heading the charge, its always the chaff while the wheat stay safe and yet they dictate that all are equal in the organization.

They have nothing better to live for? Many of them seem to come from comfortable promising backgrounds, the young man who murdered 38 at Sousse was an undergraduate engineering student. The three young women who left London for Syria were straight A students, also probably going on to be undergrads. They weren't living in hopeless poverty. What they do have in common is a fanatical belief in one particular religion.
As for IS not being Muslims? Muhammad and his companions fought battles, they conquered territories, executed POWs, destroyed idols and took the people they subdued as slaves. Sound familiar?

If, within the individuals mind, their world, their existence is not one that they want or like then it matters not in the grand scheme of things, university qualifications, wealth, family and respect for their fellow man deteriorates. They act on their own perceptions of how the world should be, and so they act upon those thoughts and seek out other like minded people. IMO.

[newcastle]

The wish for the world to be a better place is understandable....there's plenty to criticise.

The belief that there is a higher power requiring one to strive to better things is understandable (to those of a religious persuasion).

What I find incomprehensible is the sheer brutality, the inhumanity, of the methods applied by ISIS to achieve this. It goes against the grain of normal human behavior.

Then again....we witnessed something similar in Nazi Germany.

[Mad Dilys]

The Vikings used exactly the same terror techniques and battle strategies.

Every dog has it's day it seems.

[Bullet Magnet]

Everybody wants to rule the world, and therin lies the problem.

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You really think you are in control ??? F*** No !!!

[newcastle]

The Vikings used exactly the same terror techniques and battle strategies.

Every dog has it's day it seems.

Ghengis Khan and his merry men too.....and he got all the way to Vienna